WARNING - No "interest" threads for licensed properties full figures allowed

[Darklord Dave]

WARNING - No "interest" threads for licensed properties full figures allowed

If you are posting an interest thread to make a figure of a character from a property that is already licensed by a legitimate company then it will be deleted.

HOWEVER - if you are creating objects that supplement existing or upcoming figures - that will be allowed. Such as a cape, a helmet, an alternate headsculpt, etc.

 

[Cap'n Cook]

Re: WARNING - No "interest" threads for licensed properties full figures allowed

So where does this leave full custom outfit runs?

How does this stand for existing runs etc?

Thanks

 

[Doom Saber]

Re: WARNING - No "interest" threads for licensed properties full figures allowed

I see. So basically you are saying interest threads to make a character from the ground up of characters that are already licensed by a 1/6 company such as Sideshow will be deleted, yet creating objects for an existing or upcoming figure from a licensed 1/6 company is allowed?

Not to be a Debbie Downer, but what about multiple interest threads created by several users. For example, an updated head for an existing 1/6 figure in one interest thread, and an outfit (like a superhero's spandex suit) for the same figure in another thread created by a different user? I can see this as a potential work around.

Furthermore, would interest threads for two or more pieces be allowed? For example, one thread being for an alternate head and another interesting thread for a unique coat (the rest can be acquired online) months later be okay?

 

[Bravomite]

Re: WARNING - No "interest" threads for licensed properties full figures allowed

Are the licence holders really feeling threatened by custom runs of full figures where perhaps only 10 to 20 units are being created in total? These are often being sold at a much higher price point than your usual 1/6 scale licence holder's product so IMHO not really taking away business from the licence holder at all - they are an entirely different beast. Also I thought these were considered art and not viewed as an infringement.

Would this only apply to directly 'competing' products i.e. the same figure that a licence holder is actively marketing or all figures that could potentially fall under a licence (even though we would not know the specifics of what a licence might cover)? Often these custom figures are being produced to supplement a product which a licence holder may have already put out. For instance, my enjoyment and incentive to buy a Sideshow TOD Indiana Jones figure would increase if I could also purchase a complimentary figure to display with it e.g. Short Round. We all know that Sideshow has no interest in producing a Short Round figure but does that mean that we could in theory no longer start an interest thread here to make a limited custom figure of the character?

Apologies if this post comes across rudely as that is not my intention at all. I am only trying to understand why this is happening now and what the parameters of this rule are? I love custom figures and coming to this forum. Please don't make me go back to facebook to scratch that itch lol.

 

[The Jerker]

Re: WARNING - No "interest" threads for licensed properties full figures allowed

Not to be a Debbie Downer, but what about multiple interest threads created by several users. For example, an updated head for an existing 1/6 figure in one interest thread, and an outfit (like a superhero's spandex suit) for the same figure in another thread created by a different user? I can see this as a potential work around.QUOTE]

I think you just found the solution. Probably one user while posting multiple threads could (maybe spread out over time) still come up with a complete custom figure.

 

[famusan_figs]

Re: WARNING - No "interest" threads for licensed properties full figures allowed

Rip the custom community. This puts a dent on everything. Sooooo only interest threads for anything for superheroes now right?
He only said that interest threads to supplement upcoming or existing figures are allowed. I'm guessing this implies that anything else that is already licensed but not even made a figure of will be taken down. e.g. sculpt of Short Round, Fluffy from Creepshow, because how else would a Short Round headsculpt benefit the TOD Indiana Jones?


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[Scentless Apprentice]

Re: WARNING - No "interest" threads for licensed properties full figures allowed

I know slippery slopes are an argumentative fallacy, but I can definitely see this being one. Actor Likeness is protected by copyright. So even if an alternate headsculpt is allowed on the board, a company could still ask for a takedown because it could violate part of the whatever likeness clause they may have.

What about threads in which we've already paid money? If I already put over $500 into a project I would like to continue being able to converse in that thread about updates.

 

[famusan_figs]

Re: WARNING - No "interest" threads for licensed properties full figures allowed

Wanna make your own (screen accurate) Michael Myers? Jason? Scarface? Other characters from Godfather? Rocky? Ghostbusters? Aliens? Fuggedaboudit! Not here on SSF any more. Ugh.


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[**16k**]

Re: WARNING - No "interest" threads for licensed properties full figures allowed

Fluffy

Fluffy the fampire flayer?

Well, there is a way around this rule: on party makes the sculpt, another the accessories and yet another the clothes. Major company screwed!

 

[Doom Saber]

Re: WARNING - No "interest" threads for licensed properties full figures allowed

Are the licence holders really feeling threatened by custom runs of full figures where perhaps only 10 to 20 units are being created in total? These are often being sold at a much higher price point than your usual 1/6 scale licence holder's product so IMHO not really taking away business from the licence holder at all - they are an entirely different beast. Also I thought these were considered art and not viewed as an infringement.

Would this only apply to directly 'competing' products i.e. the same figure that a licence holder is actively marketing or all figures that could potentially fall under a licence (even though we would not know the specifics of what a licence might cover)? Often these custom figures are being produced to supplement a product which a licence holder may have already put out. For instance, my enjoyment and incentive to buy a Sideshow TOD Indiana Jones figure would increase if I could also purchase a complimentary figure to display with it e.g. Short Round. We all know that Sideshow has no interest in producing a Short Round figure but does that mean that we could in theory no longer start an interest thread here to make a limited custom figure of the character?

Apologies if this post comes across rudely as that is not my intention at all. I am only trying to understand why this is happening now and what the parameters of this rule are? I love custom figures and coming to this forum. Please don't make me go back to facebook to scratch that itch lol.

Because it has been a while since Sideshow released an Indy figure, do they still have the license? That said, how can we determine who still holds the copyright? For example, under these new rules, the Netflix Marvel characters can no longer be offered but what about Buffy the Vampire Slayer pieces? I doubt Sideshow still have license for those.

 

[Scentless Apprentice]

Re: WARNING - No "interest" threads for licensed properties full figures allowed

Because it has been a while since Sideshow released an Indy figure, do they still have the license? That said, how can we determine who still holds the copyright? For example, under these new rules, the Netflix Marvel characters can no longer be offered but what about Buffy the Vampire Hunger pieces? I doubt Sideshow still have license for those.

Didn't TOD Indy come out just last year?

I think Titan Collectibles holds a license on Buffy, but I don't know what it covers. I mean, the Pennywise thread here was removed because a company asked to take it down. As far as I know Neca is the only one with that license and they don't do 1/6.

 

[Doom Saber]

Re: WARNING - No "interest" threads for licensed properties full figures allowed

I know slippery slopes are an argumentative fallacy, but I can definitely see this being one. Actor Likeness is protected by copyright. So even if an alternate headsculpt is allowed on the board, a company could still ask for a takedown because it could violate part of the whatever likeness clause they may have.

What about threads in which we've already paid money? If I already put over $500 into a project I would like to continue being able to converse in that thread about updates.

Rereading the initial post, I think this only affects interest threads for full figure. For example, if someone wanted to make a figure of Saul Goodman from Better Call Saul and creates a thread that offers the full kit to make one. If however, he is offered the set in separate parts (a head in one thread and the clothing in another), that may be okay. Moreover, if interest threads of an outfit and a head were made near the same time not be okay, would the work around for this be if the clothing was generic and being offered here as "generic flight jumpsuit" or "generic business suit".

Speaking of Saul, because he is in Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul, where would characters like him fall in? As well know, a legitimate company has the license for 1/6 BB, but not BCS. Because of that, would Saul be forbidden because he was in Breaking Bad or would interest threads be allowed if the interest thread is for a "Jimmy" figure? How about characters that were not in Breaking Bad such as Saul's brother?

 

[davejames]

Re: WARNING - No "interest" threads for licensed properties full figures allowed

I know slippery slopes are an argumentative fallacy, but I can definitely see this being one. Actor Likeness is protected by copyright. So even if an alternate headsculpt is allowed on the board, a company could still ask for a takedown because it could violate part of the whatever likeness clause they may have.

What about threads in which we've already paid money? If I already put over $500 into a project I would like to continue being able to converse in that thread about updates.

Well don't go giving the lawyers any ideas now!!

 

[Doom Saber]

Re: WARNING - No "interest" threads for licensed properties full figures allowed

Probably. I had forgotten the TOD version.

 

[Doom Saber]

Re: WARNING - No "interest" threads for licensed properties full figures allowed

I read an article or comment on the internet a couple months ago where add-ons to existing figures are okay due to a judge dismissing a lawsuit with Games Workshop and a third party company over Warhammer 40k add-on accessories. Because of that, would alternate peacefully be allowed as they are add-ons to an existing figure?

 

[Cap'n Cook]

Re: WARNING - No "interest" threads for licensed properties full figures allowed

So where does this leave full custom outfit runs?

How does this stand for existing runs etc?

Thanks

Bump.

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[Darklord Dave]

Re: WARNING - No "interest" threads for licensed properties full figures allowed

Workarounds meant to bend or break the rules won't be allowed either.

Also some things haven't been announced that may infringe on licenses.

 

[Darklord Dave]

Re: WARNING - No "interest" threads for licensed properties full figures allowed

I read an article or comment on the internet a couple months ago where add-ons to existing figures are okay due to a judge dismissing a lawsuit with Games Workshop and a third party company over Warhammer 40k add-on accessories. Because of that, would alternate peacefully be allowed as they are add-ons to an existing figure?

Didn't I say in the original post that an item that supplements an existing figure is okay?

 

[Doom Saber]

Re: WARNING - No "interest" threads for licensed properties full figures allowed

Didn't I say in the original post that an item that supplements an existing figure is okay?

Yes you did. My response was actually for Scentless Apprentice, who questioned that addons of alternate heads are not okay. I had forgotten to add back to quote - I originally was quoting from davejames' response to Scentless Apprentice. I edited the previous comment to reflect that..

 

[Stevejack2]

Re: WARNING - No "interest" threads for licensed properties full figures allowed

So basically - As long as whatever you're selling means that you have to first own the licensed figure in order to use it, then you're ok.
So supplemental head sculpts, clothing, accessories for an existing figure are ok.

But if you're selling something which is intended to be a substitute for an existing licensed figure (i.e. you could reasonably piece together a whole figure with all clothing and accessories) then it's not ok.

Hard to work out where the line is drawn, but I can understand the motivation behind it.