HARD TO KILL - Nakatomi Cop - (Painted Head/Clothing set) ORDER NOW!

[DKA8976]

Work designed, created, and distributed by original creator OR lower quality facsimile produced and sold without original owners consent. Pretty clear - either you want the best quality product/support the creator and the process or you care strictly about the product you receive and the price you pay. I get the free market "I'm just getting the best product that fits my needs" thing but this isn't a toaster - it is piece of art with a very personal relationship to its owner and buyer. Taking such an approach, especially when you KNOW it is a recast, just reeks of selfishness to me.

 

[tbay]

I really feel bad for everyone who got screwed over with this situation, those who are happy with the original work, more power to you.

These arguments have been going on for years and it's the same argument over and over again. One side says to support the artists. The other side argues that the artists are counterfeiting the likeness anyway so anything goes (there's no honor among thieves right?). There's usually one particularly obnoxious person that trolls the thread throughout and just refuses to be a decent human being to their fellow collectors who have every right to be upset (I guess we're all thieves so we can't even be civil right? Let's just treat each other like trash).

I completely understand all of the following: why the artist and supporters would be upset about recasting, why people would buy a cheaper recast, and why people justify the "anything goes" mentality. The only thing that always baffles me is how someone can be a complete and utter jerk and gloat about buying a recast to the people who paid a premium to make that recast available. Makes no sense to me. Enjoy your recast, but why be disrespectful to the freaks in this thread?

 

[chewblock]

I remember back in 1996 when it was such a joy to buy albums of my favorite musicians but after birth of Napster, it all started to change very slowly. Nowadays, you don't really hear about people buying albums anymore since you can most likely download the full album on the web. It seems like similar thing is happening in the world of 1/6. The bottom line is, the issue with recast is inevitable and I don't think anybody can do anything about it period.

However, one thing for certain to me is that if you happen to think the original of someone's work is too high or can't afford it but later found the cheaper recast on Facebook or other places other than SSF, please don't disrespect the artist and the supporters on their own dedicated thread in SSF. I remember seeing someone post a picture of recast Pacino for CK's Godfather sculpt on its own thread and I thought that was very disrespectful.

 

[x_dekin]

I remember back in 1996 when it was such a joy to buy albums of my favorite musicians but after birth of Napster, it all started to change very slowly. Nowadays, you don't really hear about people buying albums anymore since you can most likely download the full album on the web. It seems like similar thing is happening in the world of 1/6. The bottom line is, the issue with recast is inevitable and I don't think anybody can do anything about it period.

However, one thing for certain to me is that if you happen to think the original of someone's work is too high or can't afford it but later found the cheaper recast on Facebook or other places other than SSF, please don't disrespect the artist and the supporters on their own dedicated thread in SSF. I remember seeing someone post a picture of recast Pacino for CK's Godfather sculpt on its own thread and I thought that was very disrespectful.

That's so true


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[**16k**]

Holy sh**! I just saw this on ebay and I'm shocked they did it again!! Why is it always MJ? Have other artists work been re-casted at a mass level like this? Arn't the recasts even injection moulded vinyl/plastic?

Part of me as a joke thought maybe MJ releases the initial first wave for top dollar then when that's exhausted start the cheaper mass produced version under the guise of a recaster so folks that paid the top dollar don't get peed off Of course that isn't the case and I totally believe MJ is a victim here. Though it would be a pretty good business plan even though totally un ethical :rolleyes2

Either way he's probably made a good amount of money so far to justify his work. $250 isn't bad at all considering most paint jobs cost that alone. I think it's the sheer principle that someone out there is making money from all the blood, sweat and countless late nights put in. Re-casters are a sculptors worst nightmare. I was already put off by seeing the Joker head re-cast this way and after seeing this I'm definitely not in a hurry to release any more of my head sculpts.

That's something I've been wondering myself!

Anyway, why don't you people just let go of that debate? It's sterile. Both sides will never reconcile and people will end up calling each other's name. What's done is done! Let's suck it up and move on!

 

[Raymond F.]

MJ is one of the most talented artists in this hobby. Hands down and bar none.

I think that MJ charges a hair too much. But I only say that because guys like Rainman who match his skill level don't charge as much. And you have to understand it's hard for me to say this as an artist. I paint these things too and I'm not nearly as good as MJ, but it takes me so long to do it that if I out that time into my actual job which is creative consulting and Art direction, I'd make five to 8 times as much money in that hour. That being said it's MJs work, his prerogative to charge what he wants and ours to buy it. And if anyone even begins to think that high prices are not justified for this work! Unless they actually do it themselves they can go straight to hell... This takes special and rare skill and talent and TIME. I bought his bill and sold it because I didn't think the likeness was better than Rainmans even though the paint was better. I bought his bruce and love it though he does get criticism from me for not even attempting to shrink the head. It's not even about price its about perfecting yoir work.

I think his high prices make him an easy target for recasters. And as One who bought a couple of his sculpts it pisses me off yes, but it pisses me off because if hurts the artist and the community more than anythjng else. But I'm playing devils advocate here and saying there's a big bullseye target painted on MJ because of these other factors.

Once they are out there they are out there and that's unfortunate. I'll admit that I know personally a few long time loyal hobbiests that picked up that joker head just out of curiosity, even thoug the last thing they want to do is willingly aupoort recaster scum.

My last bit of parting rambling is to say, make no mistake, what you see in that auction is the ORIGINAL MJ sculpt. This I am certian of one hundred percent, right down to the oversized. If you think the recast will come out painted that good with as much detail you are dreaming.

 

[countbanks]

On a lighter note..anybody got any advice on where to get an mp5 with sling 1/6 scale or his back pack?
eBay ain't got it.
Thanks

 

[batfan08]

I think I've found a loophole in the whole "it's unlicensed, so it's wrong" argument. Nobody is buying any unlicensed products, they're just donating $250 to support an artist and his skill, and he's, graciously, sending them a gift in appreciation of their support...that just happens to be of one of their favorite characters.:lol There. Nobody is stealing from anybody, and we can all admit to one and other that recasters are, indeed, pieces of ****.:lecture

 

[KingGrayskull]

That is nonsense.

Recasting has always been an issue, not only the 1/6 world. Everything that sells is copied by people who want to benefit from other peoples work. Anybody remember Masters of the Universe? They have been bootleged in Yugoslavia back than. Today you can buy bootleg Turtles cheap on Ebay. Its not only MJ who has to deal with copies. Hot Toys has the same issue. It is not right, no matter if it is licenced or not, and those recasters dont care if it is licenced or not either.
When they brought out the Nurse Joker set they have used a pic of my Funky colored socks tl advertise their product. The quality was a joke btw. They use whatever they can to make money.
Ironically they use the best stuff. Wouldnt MJ be a hell of a talent, he wouldnt have to deal with recasters. Pretty sure a recasted Indy will popup soon too.

This being said, there is nothing you can do against it. All you can do is make 1-2 runs, make good money with the project and move on and dont care.

 

[Raymond F.]

Kit Chen is now selling the recast on his site

 

[batfan08]

I think that, at the end of the day, though, while it is unfair, as long as there are people who appreciate the art, the work still holds value, duplicate or not. For all of the countless reproductions and postcards, the Mona Lisa's still priceless. While I don't have this sculpt, I've been on the receiving end of with both of the IM/MW Blondie heads having been reproduced. More than devaluation or anything like that, the thing that bothers me most is that these guys are so brazen about it, and we can call custom artists thieves if we want to, but, I'm sorry, there's power in intention. You look at all of these figures and they're filling a void in this hobby. Most of these things either can't be licensed or will never be licensed because the only company who could afford to is Hot Toys and they're too hung up on Blockbusters.

You talk to "Mr.X" about any project and he'll always tell you that he watched the movie or show before the figure was created, and he decided based on whether he likes it or not. I don't know; maybe I'm an idealist, but, when it comes to the artists, I don't think it's about the money. There are far more lucrative ventures to create a business around than small runs of high-end action figures. I'm rambling, but my point is that these guys appreciate why we collect and they realize that there are things we respond to that are, unfortunately, missing from this hobby in an official capacity, and they try to fill that void, whereas everything about recasting is just mean spirited. It reeks of opportunism and maliciousness. They purposely target these artists because they know they can't do anything about it.

That's why I don't support recasting. It's not because of some ethical standard, as, I'll admit, the custom work, itself, isn't necessarily ethical, but I can't abide d**ks, and I sure as **** won't support them.

 

[Leon 911]

More than all these points I feel there is a bigger issue that needs to be addressed. Many a times you / we don't event know names of the actual artists and contributors. From yunsils clothing to mw sculpt - each of these are now a "factory model" in its own right.

However very rarely anyone has helped promote the real creators of the art. We all mange teams in our day jobs (and this is no different) unless you are 100 pct creating something all by yourself - each and every person shld get credit or recognition - otherwise it's a lost cause to me! Very rarely that's done though!

For instance I would like to know who made my tuco sculpt who actually painted it! Rather than just knowing it was MRx or y or z or rm or yunsil.

Yes if we ask we will know but shld that not be promoted in the packaging , or inserts and immortalized.

The size or scale each business is dealing with - I would actually like to know that specific artist who worked on my figure than just a company name!

I saw some artists post some pictures on Facebook but that's still a self promotion strategy and i would like the business to have a heart


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[Damian]

Anyone willing to sell the head & clothes set? please PM me!!!
Thanks

 

[Damian]

anyone willing to sell i to me?

 

[Lawrence]

Not sure if it's sold out, but have you tried contacting the seller directly? Details in the 1st post.

 

[UlliPekka]

Very cool sculpt!
There are no words to describe how it is similar to the original!
About the size of the head IMHO more than normal!

 

[gido]

Is it Wolwerine body?

 

[UlliPekka]

Is it Wolwerine body?

Yes)))

 

[Nailz]

Any other source for gray slacks and a white tank top? I found several black slack but nothing along the darker gray ones he wore, and cant find anything similar to a white wifebeater

 

[siquisiri]

Again with this? the bottom line is regardless of you point of view on the subject, were adults and in the end were going to do what we each think is right.