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[user 5807]

The issue here wasn't the fact that the product is unlicensed. Nobody is arguing that. It's about the work the artist put into making these vs no effort put in by the recasters. If you say you're buying the recast because the whole thing was illegal in the first place, fine, you'll get no argument from me. If your only reason for going with recasters is that the original was not worth the price in your eyes, then yeah, I'll argue that.

 

[Entropy]

Unlicensed is a different issue that gets conflated by some with the recasting discussion.

Everyone agrees that this sculptor has talent, right? Everyone agrees the artist spent a lot of time creating their work, right?
Both of those things, talent and time, deserve financial compensation, right? YOUR skills and time aren't worthless in your job, right? You'd be insulted if someone suggested you did not deserve to be paid for your hard work, right? Whether you are working at Starbucks, as a nurse in a hospital, as a truck driver, etc you deserve to be paid for your work. Recasting someone else's work takes no time or talent. It's printing out someone else's painting you found on google and selling it (regardless of subject or content or licensing), profiting from someone else's time and talent and pickpocketing the artist.

 

[batsheva]

I have MJ's Joker headsculpt, and out of curiousity I also bought the counterfeit/recast one. The sharpness of the sculpt is very very far, especially on the hair. I didn't even bother to modify my MJ joker head with rooted hair because he sculpted the hair amazingly. It looks like real in person. And then the paintjob. I ordered the painted head (mob meeting make up) from MJ, and it's mighty awesome. The paintjob on the recast one is so so, not even close with MJ's.

So I am happy to own a masterpiece from MJ, directly from the artist himself.
As for the recast one? I used it to practice my painting, try to make it better by looking at the original one as a guidance. And then I give it a rooted hair. In the end, I'm happy because I got my chance to do experiments with the recast one, but I still have the masterpiece one as well.

If you're really a die hard fans of the movie and character, go and buy this sculpt. One thing I think is not right, is the size of the head (I think it's a bit too large).

 

[Arnold84]

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[N3M3SIS 2ALL]

Unlicensed is a different issue that gets conflated by some with the recasting discussion.

Everyone agrees that this sculptor has talent, right? Everyone agrees the artist spent a lot of time creating their work, right?
Both of those things, talent and time, deserve financial compensation, right? YOUR skills and time aren't worthless in your job, right? You'd be insulted if someone suggested you did not deserve to be paid for your hard work, right? Whether you are working at Starbucks, as a nurse in a hospital, as a truck driver, etc you deserve to be paid for your work. Recasting someone else's work takes no time or talent. It's printing out someone else's painting you found on google and selling it (regardless of subject or content or licensing), profiting from someone else's time and talent and pickpocketing the artist.

Now I dont know how exactly these are done but im guessing he picked the best sculpt, then casted the rest (or some reproducing method). Im sure he spent ALOT of time working on the initial few sculpts. But if you calculate the time spent on the original sculpt to how much he made selling them at full pop I guarantee he made a good amount of money for his time. You guys make it seem like it was a bust. Yes sales will slow down, but its what a music artist would call a one hit wonder, they make the most they can and there out!! then it gets remixed and that person gets his share and so forth. My man made a considerable amount of money and hes off to the next project.

 

[N3M3SIS 2ALL]

If you're really a die hard fans of the movie and character, go and buy this sculpt. One thing I think is not right, is the size of the head (I think it's a bit too large).[/QUOTE]

Thats what im saying, if I really like the character I would def buy and pay top money for an OG piece. But this just fits the era im trying to recapture, its not even in my top 10 movies. But at $30 some bucks I can make it work.

 

[peterparkernypd]

So I just spent $ 250,00 for a head that is now on ebay for $ 40,00?

This doesn´t make me fell like an artist supporter.

This make me fell like I will not buy the Indiana Jones hs. Or any another head.

Damm!

 

[Leon 911]

This argument will always continue.

1) Yes there is hypocrisy when an unlicensed product is made and celebrated!

2) Recasts are like robbing a robber of his robbery!

But the reality is that we are all the real robbers! Whether recast or not it's an unlicensed work created because of "our need" - we are the real **** heads!

Now having assigned a robber to do our robbery! It's unfair for recasters to rob us of our robbery and recast robbers cannot give us an excuse that it was a robbery to begin with! That's just not how robbers roll! Na Na Na Na ...!

Long story short - don't blame the artist and also don't rob them of their money! He priced it at 250 - don't want then just let it be! Now - no one can stop anyone from buying recasts - they will always be a part of this hobby! But does not make it right! (Only from an artist stand point who did what he did to make us happy)

As for Bruce Willis - if he has a charity donate a dollar or two on his behalf! That shld help his cause! And as for the movie makers (hmm - they shld pay us "shelf space" rent for placing these in our California homes! )

PS : I am just kidding! So pls don't go all over the place like lakhota says "poo poo head" each other!


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[Entropy]

Now I dont know how exactly these are done but im guessing he picked the best sculpt, then casted the rest (or some reproducing method). Im sure he spent ALOT of time working on the initial few sculpts. But if you calculate the time spent on the original sculpt to how much he made selling them at full pop I guarantee he made a good amount of money for his time. You guys make it seem like it was a bust. Yes sales will slow down, but its what a music artist would call a one hit wonder, they make the most they can and there out!! then it gets remixed and that person gets his share and so forth. My man made a considerable amount of money and hes off to the next project.

How much time do you think went into sculpting an original? It was likely upwards of 100 hours, a couple of weeks of work. Perhaps more. Then molding, then casting, then cleaning each cast, then painting and sealing and packaging and mailing. And then there are hidden costs besides the obvious time, talents and raw materials.

How much do YOU think an artist's time & talent worth? minimum wage or more? How much do you think a mechanic's time and skill is worth? A doctor's? A lawyer's?
Is it really up to you to decide when they have made what you feel is "enough"? Should these people not set their own rates? If you can't afford Stephen Spielberg, or don't care for his work, don't hire him for your movie but don't tell him what he's worth, what he should charge or when he's been compensated enough in your mind.

This is about custom props but it applies to custom figures as well Please watch:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeNxKtX-I_U

 

[N3M3SIS 2ALL]

How much time do you think went into sculpting an original? It was likely upwards of 100 hours, a couple of weeks of work. Perhaps more. Then molding, then casting, then cleaning each cast, then painting and sealing and packaging and mailing. And then there are hidden costs besides the obvious time, talents and raw materials.

How much do YOU think an artist's time & talent worth? minimum wage or more? How much do you think a mechanic's time and skill is worth? A doctor's? A lawyer's?
Is it really up to you to decide when they have made what you feel is "enough"? Should these people not set their own rates? If you can't afford Stephen Spielberg, or don't care for his work, don't hire him for your movie but don't tell him what he's worth, what he should charge or when he's been compensated enough in your mind.

Im sure this isnt the first recast situation, and there still sculpting new heads.....soooo im going to assume there making out alright. If he wasnt getting paid what he feels is right, my guess would be he would be doing something else.

I wasnt making a decision that "he has made enough" I was just stating my opinion, or trying to justify me buying the recast to make me feel better, I dont know. but im sure we all have bought something that is a copy of something because it was cheaper.

what I would do if I had some talent :dunno is create a interest list, price something at what I think its worth and not send out anything till my goal number was met, then after that what ever happens happens! If I feel my time and talent on a particular piece is worth 10k great, hold off orders till you hit 40 then if it gets recasted at least you made the money you felt was right. Now if you feel a headsculpt is worth more than that, then your on another planet.

 

[N3M3SIS 2ALL]

Im sure this isnt the first recast situation, and there still sculpting new heads.....soooo im going to assume there making out alright. If he wasnt getting paid what he feels is right, my guess would be he would be doing something else.

I wasnt making a decision that "he has made enough" I was just stating my opinion, or trying to justify me buying the recast to make me feel better, I dont know. but im sure we all have bought something that is a copy of something because it was cheaper.

what I would do if I had some talent :dunno is create a interest list, price something at what I think its worth and not send out anything till my goal number was met, then after that what ever happens happens! If I feel my time and talent on a particular piece is worth 10k great, hold off orders till you hit 40 then if it gets recasted at least you made the money you felt was right. Now if you feel a headsculpt is worth more than that, then your on another planet.

mind you guys, I dont really know what is involved in making a sculpt. Im assuming one can be made in a couple of weeks, here and there on free time. I cant picture someone just hammering away from morning to night for weeks on end. If im wrong then im wrong, i think its my guilty conscience acting up again.:monkey3

 

[matj007]

Wonder if he felt guilty for taking people's $250 and delivering a sculpt that isn't to scale?

 

[Chad Man]

It's all semantics


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[<BEASTMASTER>]

Holy sh**! I just saw this on ebay and I'm shocked they did it again!! Why is it always MJ? Have other artists work been re-casted at a mass level like this? Arn't the recasts even injection moulded vinyl/plastic?

Part of me as a joke thought maybe MJ releases the initial first wave for top dollar then when that's exhausted start the cheaper mass produced version under the guise of a recaster so folks that paid the top dollar don't get peed off Of course that isn't the case and I totally believe MJ is a victim here. Though it would be a pretty good business plan even though totally un ethical :rolleyes2

Either way he's probably made a good amount of money so far to justify his work. $250 isn't bad at all considering most paint jobs cost that alone. I think it's the sheer principle that someone out there is making money from all the blood, sweat and countless late nights put in. Re-casters are a sculptors worst nightmare. I was already put off by seeing the Joker head re-cast this way and after seeing this I'm definitely not in a hurry to release any more of my head sculpts.

 

[Hologram AI]

Wonder if he felt guilty for taking people's $250 and delivering a sculpt that isn't to scale?

 

[PopCultKid]

Is nothing sacred?

No my friend. The answer is no.

 

[Lakhota]

No my friend. The answer is no.

My love for you is as sacred as a new carved totem pole, a fresh rosary and red roses on Valentine's Day . I wish you were a sweater so I could wear you all year long.

Oh and don't buy recast!! Fools

 

[PopCultKid]

The debate is never ending but as far I'm concerned, there's only one right side.

Those who talk about licencing nonsense and other paper thin excuses are people who can't see past their own desires, entitlement and budget. They're just grasping at straws for justification.

Anyone with scruples and selflessness can see clearly what's right and what's wrong here.

And the king of the unscrupulous is Kit Chen. He "defended" himself last time with the Joker sculpt blaming other's that work for him and claiming ignorance. He said that he would stop selling it because he "doesn't need that item"; he "has plenty of other items to make money with". What a bunch of BS. He took it off his listings and it was back up before you knew it. Playing stupid and innocent. PLEASE. The guy's business is built on knock off crap. And here he is, back recasting from the same artist AGAIN.

All of you who defend him, go back and look at the the convo on FB about the Joker incident and tell me you can see his side by continuing to sell his Joker recasts AND coming back for seconds on MJ

My love for you is as sacred as a new carved totem pole, a fresh rosary and red roses on Valentine's Day . I wish you were a sweater so I could wear you all year long.

Oh and don't buy recast!! Fools

:lol:lol I feel special

 

[cmiller99]

Oh for ****'s sake, I can't believe this. ****ing recasters.

 

[Dr_Essex]

When I first got into 1/6 I didn't know any better and bought a recast of butcher on eBay - once I got on this forum (I saw a lot of beautiful works of art on Facebook which led me here) and realized the passion collectors had for this hobby and being able to talk one on one with the actual artist I was hooked and still am- I put that bootleg in a drawer and got me a MJ sculpt and just recently purchased the Rainman sculpt- there's nothing like the original imo- I purchased a few things from Kit like clothes and accessories thru eBay. Again, I didn't know any better these were the first items I had ever purchased for bashing- there was one issue I had with a body and head I purchased and I tried to see if he could help me out- negative- he started being very sarcastic and started throwing in stuff about being bootlegs and how they are horrible and I shouldn't buy them (sarcasm at its finest) I returned his items and lost money for it- my point being, he's a **** from my experience- this is where it's at- if you can't afford it that sucks man it really does- these things are really expensive but if you have the means why not, right? i have a lot of friends who are artists and I tap into my creativity every now and then too- I'd feel pretty bad if someone jacked my stuff or my friends- a lot of good points on here- seems to me that there really is no way to stop it, right?