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I would agree that you pity him as he's subjected to pain and torment, but the idea that, even after all of that, he remains unchanged, while brilliant, makes me abhor the character. As I said, there are literally zero redeeming qualities about him, and, while I agree that everyone has the right to own whatever they want, that doesn't mean I can understand why someone would want a figure of a rapist who bludgeoned a woman to death with a giant ceramic *******. I just think it kind of undermines the point of the film; granted, it's all in interpretation, but I saw it as an anti-violence picture that used Delarge as a tool to show you just how unsettling violence can be. I still don't understand it, but, as you said, to each their own; there are people that collect weirder things (at least Delarge has some visually aesthetic appeal, as opposed to one of those sadomasochistic "tortured souls" McFarlane things):lol. With that in mind, the whole thing reminds me of a quote from Justified:
"I don't know. I figure people are entitled to their hobbies, and I'm entitled to think those people are creepy."

:lol


I think you miss the point entirely. Its not so much about the visceral nature of the character as it is about the genious depiction of that type of personalty by McDowell and Kubrick. How are Delarge fans any different from Ledger Joker fans....Heath Ledger who by the way studied that clockwork orange performance and made it the bluprint for his character interpretation of the Dark Knight Joker
 
Haha...nice quote I dont get the tortured souls thing either. Clockwork is not a movie about anti-violence, but about free will. Thats the way I've always seen it and most anaylis I've read about it over the years have said as well. It is also about anti-violence but the biggest theme for me is that of free will. Even if people are twisted criminals and do horrible **** like Delarge thats their choice and we as a society by changing his most basic urges with the treatment he was given have taken away his ability to choose/his humanity, essential making him the clockwork orange of the films title.

That's very true. One thing's for sure: that's some heavy subject matter. I would say I really only watched it once. I saw it, I believe twice, and the only reason for that was because, the first time, I wasn't paying enough attention to realize how unsettling it was. After that second time (what I consider the first time I really watched it), I said to myself, "that was a brilliant film, with a great theme, and it had great performances, but I'm never going to watch it again.":lol
 
That's very true. One thing's for sure: that's some heavy subject matter. I would say I really only watched it once. I saw it, I believe twice, and the only reason for that was because, the first time, I wasn't paying enough attention to realize how unsettling it was. After that second time (what I consider the first time I really watched it), I said to myself, "that was a brilliant film, with a great theme, and it had great performances, but I'm never going to watch it again.":lol

There are a few movies like that for me the most recent would have to be "12 years a slave" I dont think I'd ever sit down to watch it again.
 
I think you miss the point entirely. Its not so much about the visceral nature of the character as it is about the genious depiction of that type of personalty by McDowell and Kubrick. How are Delarge fans any different from Ledger Joker fans....Heath Ledger who by the way studied that clockwork orange performance and made it the bluprint for his character interpretation of the Dark Knight Joker

Believe it or not, as I was writing this stuff out, I was thinking "wouldn't anyone who argued this, including myself, be a hypocrite, if they're a fan of any sort of villain? I don't know. I think it just comes down to subject matter, and the way it was handled; as you said, it was a very visceral interpretation, and I think, with Ledger's Joker, for example, there's a certain level of disconnect, if you will. Granted, he's the villain, and he murders people, but it's very subtle. There's also that yin and yang element, with Batman balancing everything out, whereas, with Clockwork, the inhumane treatment that Alex receives (I wouldn't say it isn't justified, though), essentially paints the forces of Justice as being just as sadistic as he is. :lol I definitely am seeing the other perspectives more, but I think, more than anything, it's just my personal belief that "I don't understand how people could want that character on their shelf." Granted, it is different for everyone, but, when I see that character, I instantly associate that with the way the movie affected me, and, thus, I could not see how someone would want it, but someone else could, I suppose.:lol

I'll give Kubrick credit; he really knew how to push people's buttons. That close-up of the woman's screaming mouth, followed by that pop-art. Yeeee; it gives me chills just thinking about it.:lol I think that is a testament to just how good he was at what he did. He managed to unsettle me more with that than pretty much every explicit or gorey scene I've ever seen in a movie (with the exception of, I think, The Toxic Avenger).
 
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cheap production costs once individual suit tailoring is done, most folks who buy one would buy em all, iconic film, neglected FAR too long in 1/6
 
As for wishlist stuff, I must say that I really like the idea of Indy. I have yet to see a "definitive" version of that character that wasn't a one-off.

Absolutely agree! When you have so many people needing to make sculpt and paints modifications, then you know a definitive version is still needed. For such an iconic character, it should be more than "looks good", or 'it's close", etc.
 
Believe it or not, as I was writing this stuff out, I was thinking "wouldn't anyone who argued this, including myself, be a hypocrite, if they're a fan of any sort of villain? I don't know. I think it just comes down to subject matter, and the way it was handled; as you said, it was a very visceral interpretation, and I think, with Ledger's Joker, for example, there's a certain level of disconnect, if you will. Granted, he's the villain, and he murders people, but it's very subtle. There's also that yin and yang element, with Batman balancing everything out, whereas, with Clockwork, the inhumane treatment that Alex receives (I wouldn't say it isn't justified, though), essentially paints the forces of Justice as being just as sadistic as he is. :lol I definitely am seeing the other perspectives more, but I think, more than anything, it's just my personal belief that "I don't understand how people could want that character on their shelf." Granted, it is different for everyone, but, when I see that character, I instantly associate that with the way the movie affected me, and, thus, I could not see how someone would want it, but someone else could, I suppose.:lol

I'll give Kubrick credit; he really knew how to push people's buttons. That close-up of the woman's screaming mouth, followed by that pop-art. Yeeee; it gives me chills just thinking about it.:lol I think that is a testament to just how good he was at what he did. He managed to unsettle me more with that than pretty much every explicit or gorey scene I've ever seen in a movie (with the exception of, I think, The Toxic Avenger).


It goes without saying that this isn't easy watching or for everyone's taste, but there is no denying that Burgess' story is brilliant and Kubrick brought it to life on screen masterfully.

I'm way too tired to get into a full synopsis :lol. In a nutshell it's a look at what makes the criminally insane tick and questions what the contributing elements are; is it age? Economic class? Nature? Nurture? Drug abuse? The kind of music you listen to?.... Is there a cure for it? If so, how? Will it take drastic measures to cease drastic actions? How do those measures conflict with moral, humane and religious beliefs. What does employing these methods make those in the justice system??? Then of course it focuses on issues of freedom, free will and choice. There are so many messages and ideas in this story but the most obvious moral to it all is "you can't force people to change; people can only change themselves when they are ready". It goes on...so much food for thought... (side note: Alex does redeem himself in the last chapter of the book which the left out of the movie... and I'm glad. The two different endings nail down two totally different sets of conclusions and I prefer everything that the movie ending suggests in him not being cured, and the mystery of his future)

This reminds me a lot of Natural Born Killers (both of which are 2 of my all-time faves) in the sense that they can't be taken for surface value. Both have much deeper messages but you have to be someone who can appreciate this darker perspective to be a fan; they are definitely not for the faint of heart. These same messages could be conveyed on film in several different ways, but again, people who take to this kind of dark delivery will dig it and others just won't.

As far as liking Alex as a character, well you guys already said it. It's very much the same as liking any other villain; Torrance, Joker, Heisenberg, whoever. And if you're a fan of the movie, what other single symbol could you have in 1/6 the represent ACWO in your collection?

And now for the real reason why I chimed in... because I'll never pass up an excuse to recycle oldies but goodies! A proud owner am I!!! :D










 
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Sorry for the mega-derail; back on track...


More and more, this is becoming a super obvious choice IMO





Before he was Red, he was Clarence Boddicker and he was one of the baddesset meanest take no **** Super Villians of the 80's


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Don't know if you're still looking at this topic but here is my top 3:

1. Toshiro Mifune (Yojimbo/Sanjuro)
2. Shintaro Katsu (Zatoichi)
3. Choi Min-sik (Oh Dae-su)

Nothing against Heath Ledger or Clint Eastwood (as I am a fan of them both) but how many versions of these do we need?
 
One that hasn't been mentioned in quite a while is Gene Hackman "Popeye Doyle" from The French Connection. Definitely a standout figure.
 
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