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[AnonymousBat]

I just want to share my two cents about the recent 2nd run projects and those so call limited runs.

Let’s be honest, the format of custom project is based on the trust between project organizers and collectors as buyers will be out of protection under paypal policy if the deal exceed six months.

Collectors believe in the organizer and put their money in the project, it should be a bi-directional relationship, both collectors and organizers have the rights to express their thoughts or vote for any decisions for the project, rather than being left entirely to organizers’ discretion. (Except you reserved the project completely out of your own pocket, that’s your call). If you open your thread saying limited XX or no second run, please keep your promise. It’s not about keep the value of the custom figures, it’s more about a sort of default contractual relationship we all agreed in advance.

Collecting deposits, coordinating between artists, we all aware it’s not easy to take care all of them by a single person. It’s totally understandable the organizer make profits from a project as the organizer also put in the effort. BUT let’s just don’t ignore the contractual relationship between project organizers and collectors, you wouldn’t be able to successfully book the project without the support of collectors. This kind of behavior would only hurt this hobby.

 

[Raymond F.]

I agree with the post above, well said.

 

[DoggieDoc]

That's all well and good but if the run LIMIT is not stated then there is no argument here. Hector said "Limited run" and that was it. He didn't say "limited to 100 sets" or "limited to 200 sets" ... he said "limited". As in one run and that's it. If he and Yunsil decide the run is open to as many people as they can squeeze in, then fine. More cool outfits for everyone.

 

[jagzz]

I just want to share my two cents about the recent 2nd run projects and those so call limited runs.

Let’s be honest, the format of custom project is based on the trust between project organizers and collectors as buyers will be out of protection under paypal policy if the deal exceed six months.

Collectors believe in the organizer and put their money in the project, it should be a bi-directional relationship, both collectors and organizers have the rights to express their thoughts or vote for any decisions for the project, rather than being left entirely to organizers’ discretion. (Except you reserved the project completely out of your own pocket, that’s your call). If you open your thread saying limited XX or no second run, please keep your promise. It’s not about keep the value of the custom figures, it’s more about a sort of default contractual relationship we all agreed in advance.

Collecting deposits, coordinating between artists, we all aware it’s not easy to take care all of them by a single person. It’s totally understandable the organizer make profits from a project as the organizer also put in the effort. BUT let’s just don’t ignore the contractual relationship between project organizers and collectors, you wouldn’t be able to successfully book the project without the support of collectors. This kind of behavior would only hurt this hobby.

Well said

 

[jra81984]

I just want to share my two cents about the recent 2nd run projects and those so call limited runs.

Let’s be honest, the format of custom project is based on the trust between project organizers and collectors as buyers will be out of protection under paypal policy if the deal exceed six months.

Collectors believe in the organizer and put their money in the project, it should be a bi-directional relationship, both collectors and organizers have the rights to express their thoughts or vote for any decisions for the project, rather than being left entirely to organizers’ discretion. (Except you reserved the project completely out of your own pocket, that’s your call). If you open your thread saying limited XX or no second run, please keep your promise. It’s not about keep the value of the custom figures, it’s more about a sort of default contractual relationship we all agreed in advance.

Collecting deposits, coordinating between artists, we all aware it’s not easy to take care all of them by a single person. It’s totally understandable the organizer make profits from a project as the organizer also put in the effort. BUT let’s just don’t ignore the contractual relationship between project organizers and collectors, you wouldn’t be able to successfully book the project without the support of collectors. This kind of behavior would only hurt this hobby.

Usually the way these things go is that a deposit guarantees your slot and many times the cap opens after the prototype is shown. I have seen this on many runs over the years. There is no reason to believe that increasing the run by 50 outfits would make it take any more or less time in production. I would also argue that it is more challenging for Yunsil to do this in two separate runs than it would be to assemble all of the outfits at once. This run is being called limited because it is going to be a one time release... not limited because of a low quantity.

 

[emeraldknight]

Tottaly agree.. the list is closed almost 2 years+. If you’re taking new interest should be for 2nd run of this. Really not fair for the people who believe in this project from the begining.

I agree,

The thread was closed and I believe is disrespectful to add more/open the thread again and on top of that, a price increase.

Not fair.

 

[ShortRound]

I wanna really take in what everyone is concerned about, give me some time to process it. I'll update soon.

In the meantime, PLEASE DO NOT SEND DEPOSITS. They will immediately be refunded. Thank you.

 

[chubbyman]

Also unfair to people who bought spots on the closed list for a premium. Now this isn’t under hectors control at all so no fault to him how the market works but a closed list means capped production in my opinion. Glad to see this outfit getting off the ground. ?

I think if yunsil can confirm an increased number won’t hinder production time that much then this wouldn’t be a problem at all.

 

[DoggieDoc]

I agree,

The thread was closed and I believe is disrespectful to add more/open the thread again and on top of that, a price increase.

Not fair.

Unfair how? Are the people who paid on the original list not going to get their outfits? Will they get a lesser product? No... they'll get the same suit, likely in a similar timeframe, and hey... more people will be able to enjoy this great work.

With regards to a price increase, as much as I think that sucks, this happens with Yunsil CONSTANTLY, so it's certainly not new to this run right here. And that price increase has nothing to do with the run being open to anyone.

And as for paying a premium for spots... that was up to whomever was so interested as to consider it worth it. As Chubbyman said, out of Hector or Yunsil's control, but it is something they CHOSE to do, so can't say it's unfair to them either.

 

[chilipep66]

I know in my personal experience with yunsil, when I opened up more spots for the Leia dress which was delayed many months due to fabric sourcing issues (the same way this was) it did delay things for another few months ,as she was only able to source the fabric seasonally and my final order ended up being more than my original order sheet said. FYI for everyone saying the run size wont matter.

 

[jagzz]

Unfair how? Are the people who paid on the original list not going to get their outfits? Will they get a lesser product? No... they'll get the same suit, likely in a similar timeframe, and hey... more people will be able to enjoy this great work.

With regards to a price increase, as much as I think that sucks, this happens with Yunsil CONSTANTLY, so it's certainly not new to this run right here. And that price increase has nothing to do with the run being open to anyone.

And as for paying a premium for spots... that was up to whomever was so interested as to consider it worth it. As Chubbyman said, out of Hector or Yunsil's control, but it is something they CHOSE to do, so can't say it's unfair to them either.

Hi Andy, it' s a bit unfair because the list is actually been closed almost 2 years+... and lot of things happened since then.., I think people who stick trough and thin from beginning should be appreciated. The increase of numbers of runs of course will effect the production, hence unfair for the people who's in the original list from the first place. I bet there's not much of people believe in this project before Hector update the proto a couple days ago.

Nothing against the new guys, like you said the more the merrier. But it's just a bit unfair for people in original run.

 

[DoggieDoc]

Hi Andy, it' s a bit unfair because the list is actually been closed almost 2 years+... and lot of things happened since then.., I think people who stick trough and thin from beginning should be appreciated. The increase of numbers of runs of course will effect the production, hence unfair for the people who's in the original list from the first place. I bet there's not much of people believe in this project before Hector update the proto a couple days ago.

Nothing against the new guys, like you said the more the merrier. But it's just a bit unfair for people in original run.

I simply disagree. Being unfair would imply that somehow the people on the original list are being hurt in some way. Where is the harm here? Maybe in the long run a slightly longer wait to accommodate the making of a larger number of outfits? And that's it. Otherwise no harm done. The are people on the original list get their outfits, newcomers get an outfit, there is more to go around and I simply don't see how that's a badd thing.

 

[jra81984]

In my past experience, the deposit list usually closes because there were enough deposits secured to get the prototype completed without out of pocket expenses for the thread starter. After a certain threshold it is not worth collecting deposits / interest anymore because the prototype will get made and the money is allocated to where it needs to be. With this project the wait was longer than usual because of material sourcing, which clearly paid off in the long run.

Generally if there is an intentional cap on the run, a waitlist is created, which was not done here. So opening the run beyond the deposit list is not really unheard of or a surprise. Any additional slots will likely sell out fast anyways and the benefit of having put in a deposit is that your purchase is secured.

 

[jagzz]

I simply disagree. Being unfair would imply that somehow the people on the original list are being hurt in some way. Where is the harm here? Maybe in the long run a slightly longer wait to accommodate the making of a larger number of outfits? And that's it. Otherwise no harm done. The are people on the original list get their outfits, newcomers get an outfit, there is more to go around and I simply don't see how that's a badd thing.

Agree to disagree then.., but then again if the production will not be affected, I will be okay with it.

Rather than argue about this, I will probably just wait what Hector decide. Again this is only my opinion.

 

[DoggieDoc]

Agree to disagree then.., but then again if the production will not be affected, I will be okay with it.

Rather than argue about this, I will probably just wait what Hector decide. Again this is only my opinion.

That's exactly right, Jaggz... in the end it is up to Hector. And I never felt I nor anyone else was arguing. This all, to me, is constructive discussion, and I think it's a good thing to have happen.

 

[Jbeltram4]

I’d like to think at the end of the day we’ve all been around long enough and are familiar enough to not allow these situations to devolve into something nasty. Compared to what goes on on Facebook and the sort, I’d say this has been a tea party so far.

 

[DoggieDoc]

I’d like to think at the end of the day we’ve all been around long enough and are familiar enough to not allow these situations to devolve into something nasty. Compared to what goes on on Facebook and the sort, I’d say this has been a tea party so far.

Hahaha totally agree!

 

[Finwee]

I may be interested in one if anybody who has twenty would let one go lol

 

[A Jedi Warrior]

There should aslo be a limit on how many outfits one could buy, you know like most limited stuff, but that's my opinion.

 

[emeraldknight]

The attraction of this type of projects is that we can get something limited and unique. Is a shame this isnt the case.

Anyways that is just my opinion.

(drinking my cup of coffee)

Cheers!