Blow (2001) George Jung aka "Boston George" Figure UPDATE Outfit set price set!

[Bullet]

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Final call on body suggestions guys gonna give it until 10pm GMT today then send the info across to Yunsil. Atm the TTM-18 Narrow shoulder is what we'll be tailoring to as it has the most votes currently .

 

[samithesami]

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still chance to register interest?

 

[Bullet]

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still chance to register interest?

The list is full for the moment but I'll put you down on the waitlist mate should there be drop outs I'll be going down the waitlist in order

 

[PopCultKid]

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I think the best bet is a Narrow (TTM18) or equivalent. My reasoning is that the Narrows have slimmer arms and the outfit with a shirt & coat will bulk up the figure. When you're sizing up a character for a body choice you can't think of what the bare body looks like, but what the finished product would be after adding layers to the body. The outfit is a big factor in the bulk of the fully built piece.

I think that the 21's arms are too bulky for a thin dude like Depp. Some may think that the clothes will hide it but it won’t if you pose the figure at all. For instance I have my Rick Grimes on a HT Bruce Lee and currently in Kato's Levis jacket. With his arms bent they look natural and still fitting for the physique I'm trying to replicate. I have RM's Vince on a 21 (as most of us do); when his arms are positioned in a certain way and slightly bent he looks like a juiced-out bouncer, and he doesn’t have a bulky outfit. The 21 is slightly too big for Vince and WAY too big for Boston George IMO.

The Narrow's equivalents can still be got for a fair deal. You'll pay thru the nose if you want to look for a packaged official TTM18, but there are dud figs out there that used the same bod and could be had for $55-$70. The Coulson bod is an example (but not identical). It only differs from the 18 in 2 ways; it is identical except it has Slim forearms and slightly taller ankles (the part that receives the foot peg). There are several others out there (like the DX08) that are more exact to an official Narrow

 

[Gipetto0812]

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IDK I still think the Slim is best. It's what HT has used on most of their Depp figures and DiD's Chicago Gangster is on a body that is about the size of a Slim TT. The narrow won't be right for Depp's body type but majority rules I guess :dunno

 

[Phine1]

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I think the best bet is a Narrow (TTM18) or equivalent. My reasoning is that the Narrows have slimmer arms and the outfit with a shirt & coat will bulk up the figure.

I agree wholeheartedly. I responded to the message bullet sent out with basically the same answer. ttm-18 or equivalent is the right body!

 

[PopCultKid]

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I'll start by saying.. Gareth, please give us a couple of more days to discuss it so we can and hear what some of the other guys think, air all of our ideas and come to an agreement

IDK I still think the Slim is best. It's what HT has used on most of their Depp figures and DiD's Chicago Gangster is on a body that is about the size of a Slim TT. The narrow won't be right for Depp's body type but majority rules I guess :dunno

I'm not familiar with the DID bod but as for what HT went with, that's exactly my point. The Sparrow figs have big bulky elaborate outfits. The body choice is based on what the finished product will be, not what Depp looks like in his boxers. I know that a Slim variation worked well for Depp as Captain Jack but Boston George's outfit is much more streamlined than Sparrow's.

The base body for the DID Churchill fig is very close in size to a Narrow but once you add the fat suit and full outfit you end up with the desired physique:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/DID-1-6-Wi...on_Figures&hash=item5afbcc2a1b#ht_2101wt_1006


I feel a Slim in a more streamlined outfit like this is more fitting for all around smaller and thinner characters; the Pee-Wee, Marty Mc Fly, Jesse Pinkman types.

The improvement that the better HT Narrow equivalents (Coulson, Red Skull, etc.) have over the officially packaged TTM 08/14/18 is that they redesigned the chest piece to have higher traps. The flat traps are partially what gave the official Narrows the unnatural shoulder slope and why they appeared wide and boxy in certain outfits.
If you look at the final build of the Coulson & Red Skull figs (they both use the same “improved Narrow), I think that they are in the right range for what we’re trying to achieve. Those bods are scarce but luckily we don’t need too many and they are still available for reasonable prices.

What are some other thoughts?

 

[Gipetto0812]

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Red skull isnt on a Narrow TT he's on a slime with a cloth padded chest piece. Coulson is also on a slim with a modified torso not a narrow

And I wasn't just talking about Sparrow, the Sweeney Todd figure where's a slim clothing and fits perfectly for Depp's physique. The Edward Scissorhands figure is also on a Slim TT and that costume is very form fitting so I'm sorry but your theory about layers fails. Even when stripped down to just the vest, shirt and pants, the DID body for their Dillinger looks perfect and again, it's more like a Slim TT than a Narrow

 

[Cheungkinmen]

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Just wanted to share my opinion, the new DID bodies are the same size as the narrow shoulder TT. I bought a DID body thinking it was like a SLIM, but it's not. Just compared them size to size. I might say it's kind of in the middle ? but tipping all the way to a Narrow.

 

[Gipetto0812]

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Idk I don't think they're not the same b/c I bought the MI6 one and it was closer to a Narrow which I used for a Smallville custom but my one that's on the Chicago gangster is closer to a slim. I mean I compared then when I was trying to decide what to use for my Depp Willy Wonka and Mad Hatter customs and they were pretty much the same (Chicago gangster and Slim TT) :dunno

 

[Cheungkinmen]

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Are you talking about this figure ?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/DID-1-6-Wi...on_Figures&hash=item5afbcc2a1b#ht_2101wt_1006

if so, then weird, as I think a tt slim is waaay slimmer.

 

[PopCultKid]

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Red skull isnt on a Narrow TT he's on a slime with a cloth padded chest piece. Coulson is also on a slim with a modified torso not a narrow

And I wasn't just talking about Sparrow, the Sweeney Todd figure where's a slim clothing and fits perfectly for Depp's physique. The Edward Scissorhands figure is also on a Slim TT and that costume is very form fitting so I'm sorry but your theory about layers fails. Even when stripped down to just the vest, shirt and pants, the DID body for their Dillinger looks perfect and again, it's more like a Slim TT than a Narrow

I'm not hip to the DID bodies but just going off of the pics on eBay, I think JOhnny is right brother. The Churchill & Gangster bodies appear to be identical and they both look Narrow sized to me.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/DID-1-6-Wi...=item5afbcc2a1b#ht_2101wt_1006#ht_2101wt_1006

https://www.ebay.com/itm/new-DID-Nu...tion_Figures&hash=item43c5fd09b0#ht_862wt_916


I think you're mistaken about the other bodies as well. I can't name one official release from HT that came on their Slim body. You may be mistaking the moddified Narrows for a Slim. Believe me my brother I wouldn't steer you wrong :wink1:

I have a pretty sizeable morgue here (all HT) and a bunch of different official TT as well. I'm holding a TTM09 Slim, TTM18 Narrow, TTM21 and Coulson as we speak (I have a Red Skull; I'll dig him up from the morgue tomorrow). I can assure you that the Slim is all around smaller in many different ways than these Narrows (legs, upper arm, forearm, torso... everything).

The Narrows have a bad rap for STILL being too wide from shoulder to shoulder, but the truth is they have the same shoulder span as the 21's. The real problem were the flat traps.

I'm can share pics tomorrow to show everyone what I'm talking about and I'll compare several bodies so everyone could see what I mean

 

[jmd777]

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I don't know to much about body types for these customs, so whatever you guys think is the best option, put me down for that...Sick *** character and great movie. I don't venture out of horror for many pieces but this for sure is a solid custom!!!

 

[PopCultKid]

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One of my horror buddies!

It's good to see you broadening your horizons :hi5:

 

[Gipetto0812]

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I owned Redskull I know for a fact he's on a Slim. I also own The DID Gangster Johnny figure and have the DID MI6 body on my Clark Kent Smallville custom. I have EVERY HT release of of Johnny Depp and have a few custom items all are on Slim's except for the original POTC At World's End and Dead Man's Chest which were on the original Regular body. I have an original Narrow for my Smallville Lex Luthor Custom and it is not close to the DID Gangster Figure. The DiD has slightly wider shoulders but the size of the limbs and torso are much closer to the Slim IMO I could very well be mistaken for Coulson (though I doubt it to be honest) but not for Sweeney Todd, Edwards Scissorhands, or Red Skull. The Slim utilizes a unique neck plug that's smaller than the normal ones used on the narrow and regular bodies. I'm not trying to be rude hear when I say this but you are wrong when you say that no official release has had the Slim TT. Aside from the ones I'va already stated, even the DX02 and DX12 are on slim bodies (however the DX12 has a padded suit and larger thighs). Below are ALL Slim TT bodies

DX02 Body:

RedSkull Body:

DX12 Body with Modified Thighs:

Sweeney Todd body:

DX Jack Sparrow body:

However, with all that said...if the majority who are in on this, want the Narrow, I'll shut my trap until we see the full set on the body before I decide to opt out

 

[PopCultKid]

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Hey brother, this isn't an argument in case that's the way you're taking it eace. I know that you definitely know your stuff and I'm not trying to discredit that. We're just kicking around ideas and trying to come up with the best solution. I'm sure whatever the majority decides, the end product will be killer and you won't want to opt out :wink1:

I stand corrected about official releases using Slims. I didn't know about Sweeny Todd, but the DX02 & 12 credit my exact point. That's a fitting base body for a character (such as Bats) who's a bigger guy and whose outfit requires thick layers. the bat suits are very different than just adding a shirt and jacket on a body. Adding layers of regular clothing will not add too much bulk to the base body and will translate the frail physique to the final build. For a fig in plain clothes, it's a perfect body for the type of guys like I mentioned before (Marty, Jesse, Skywalker, etc.).

I'll take the time to take good (or as good as my point and shoot allows) comparison pics tomorrow. I'll do a small variety of base bodies and I'll compare them to each other as well as fully built figs. I'll do my best to provide enough info so we could all come to an agreement and Gareth can give the green light

 

[Gipetto0812]

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Hey brother, this isn't an argument in case that's the way you're taking it eace. I know that you definitely know your stuff and I'm not trying to discredit that. We're just kicking around ideas and trying to come up with the best solution. I'm sure whatever the majority decides, the end product will be killer and you won't want to opt out :wink1:

I stand corrected about official releases using Slims. I didn't know about Sweeny Todd, but the DX02 & 12 credit my exact point. That's a fitting base body for a character (such as Bats) who's a bigger guy and whose outfit requires thick layers. the bat suits are very different than just adding a shirt and jacket on a body. Adding layers of regular clothing will not add too much bulk to the base body and will translate the frail physique to the final build. For a fig in plain clothes, it's a perfect body for the type of guys like I mentioned before (Marty, Jesse, Skywalker, etc.).

I'll take the time to take good (or as good as my point and shoot allows) comparison pics tomorrow. I'll do a small variety of base bodies and I'll compare them to each other as well as fully built figs. I'll do my best to provide enough info so we could all come to an agreement and Gareth can give the green light

I'm not arguing, just like you trying to get my point across :wink1: eace: it's something I've always struggle with when chatting on the interwebs. I honestly totally get your point of what you're saying. All I'm trying to say is that even when stripped down to just one layer of clothing, the slim looks fine. Like Sparrow when only having his white shirt and waist coat still looks fine and that's only 2 layers which is what we'd have with this.

I just think with the look we're going for here, he's got a turtle-neck sweater which will add bulk plus a jacket which will add bulk, that's two layers of clothing same as Sparrow with just his white shirt and waistcoat and Sweeney Todd in his white shirt and waistcoat, except, in the case of Georgey Boy here, he'll have a sweater and and jacket which are thicker than both what Sweeney and Sparrow are in when stripped down to two layers.

It's pretty much your point really. It's the layers and adding bulk idea. Sure the you may think the Slim is too slim but once you add the sweater and jacket, he'll be the right size. However if we go with the Narrow which would be appropriate size/proportions if he were nude, once we add the layers, he'll look too big IMO. So we basically have the same point but going at from different angles using different bodies. You with the Narrow, me with the Slim. But from what Bullet has said, looks like the Narrow is winning the battle and if that's the case, it will be a wait any see for me. The clothes will look fine on the body until the head is on and if the head looks too small then I'll have to be out unfortunately.

 

[Bullet]

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Good healthy discussing in here I like it . Ok I've sent all the info to Yunsil but held off on the body type I really wanna get this moving so best I can do is give say another 2 maybe 3 days for you guys to decide what makes sense and that's what I'll tell her to tailor too. I'm just gonna sit this discussion out you guys seem to have the HT bodies memorized far better than me lol

Originally I was leaning towards the 21 then I spoke to pop and it switched to the 18 now hearing Gipetto the 22 seems like a real option too needless to say I'm confused haha.

 

[samithesami]

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im totally clueless when it comes to bodies, so i guess ill leave it to the experts here to decide which is best

 

[PopCultKid]

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I'm not arguing, just like you trying to get my point across :wink1: eace: it's something I've always struggle with when chatting on the interwebs. I honestly totally get your point of what you're saying. All I'm trying to say is that even when stripped down to just one layer of clothing, the slim looks fine. Like Sparrow when only having his white shirt and waist coat still looks fine and that's only 2 layers which is what we'd have with this.

Cool brother . You didn't come across in any certain way, just making sure we all know it's a gentlemen's debate :hi5:

As far as Sparrow goes, I don't feel like that's comparing apples to apples. His white shirt and waistcoat are very baggy and conceal how thin the body underneath is. He looks awesome with his arms down but once he's posed with bent arms you can see how twiggy they are. Of course this is well futzed and you can't see it from the angle of this pic (bent arms) but I'm sure they look unnatural from a certain angle (also, this shirt has enough material to futz out the thin unnatural look with bent arms; the Boston George outfit won't). Some of that also has to do with the orangutan forearms that HT used in the official Slims and Narrows. The older forearms are about 5 mm. longer than "improved" Narrows (like Coulson) or the new 21. That's stuff that I'll show tonight when I get to taking pics.








Don't get me wrong, Slim's have their uses with characters where they don't not seem to be the obvious choice (i.e. your Batman examples). Again I think all of those instances involve fat suits & padding/bulking/layering of some sort. I was pushing for Iminime Tuco to be on a slim because I felt with the proper full body fat suit (encompassing upper arms, shoulders, torso and thighs) that would have replicated his height best. I have the same theory for Tommy (Goodfellas) if Iminime ever actually does them).

When it comes to fat suit padding like that, the Slim is a good representation of a shorter guy with a small shoulder span (DeVito is a perfect example). When it comes to using the Slim on a plain clothes (shirt + jacket, suit, etc.) character, it's only fitting for shorter SUPER thin guys or teenagers or the like. Jesse has Slim written all over him. He's the kind of fig that you want to still look thin and short after putting on some loose fitting clothes.











Depp is a thin guy but I don't feel like he falls in the Jesse/Marty McFly category. He's taller than them and appears on screen to be more of an overall average build. That's exactly what the Narrow (preferable "improved" Narrow) is; the "average" build. It's what Rainman, Iminime and others who have offered full figs used as default. It's a basic rule of thumb (for fully clothed characters); if a character falls noticeably out of the category (either far left or far right) of average build then you go with a Slim or Muscle bod accordingly. If he's somewhere in the middle than you go Narrow or Advanced depending on arm size.