[MJ12] 1:6 Heath Ledger as The Joker Headsculpt

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whoa.. just revisited this thread and amazed on how this project has turn out to be. I got surprised even more when recasted version appears, much more affordable, when mine haven't even started (I'm the 2nd batch with hair extension) - sad to see how this project stumble, but yeah, since Joker is such a popular character, I'm not surprised the recast version came out so fast. I hope the artist still maintain the same, or else better quality (paint-wise, finishes, etc) despite what has happened, because, well, we the original supporter didn't mind paying the premium price, even though others can get similar sculpt with a fraction of the price.
 
i think buyed market for ssf for sale actionfigure check it i sell for steve .gui for sell painting head for this sale the fact is steve .gui is not bad i mean the who can anyone sale for head then buy anyone for copy then buyed it i think maybe...
 
Because this new one has the Heath Paint up no makeup look. Its like the recaster is offering every iteration the artist is making. Right now the gap filled sculpts havent shipped, here gap filled has been advertised but they dont have one so they are making a horrible manip via MS Paint if you see in the EBay link. This just makes me more worried as its almost like the main recasting factory is buying sculpts via different suppliers posing as customers.

Oh wow, I thought they got the unpainted one, painted one and offered them for peanuts on ebay. So they went even lower and just take photo of the real painted sculpt to offer them to customers now? :slap:lol


It seems Bill will have the same problem, as the recasters are just doing this to get money, regardless if Bill isnt as popular as Joker, they will make money by recasting the head if they can obtain it to the casual buyers on ebay. If he want to stop recasters, then he should sell to pre approved buyers, which can be filtered by you or SSF.
 
i think buyed market for ssf for sale actionfigure check it i sell for steve .gui for sell painting head for this sale the fact is steve .gui is not bad i mean the who can anyone sale for head then buy anyone for copy then buyed it i think maybe...
I'm having a hard time understanding this. sorry man. no offense.
 
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I am not sure if is the make up but I can't see Ledger when it is painted.

On the other hand, when the sculpt doesn't have painted make up it does look like Ledger to me.











Maybe I will buy this after all. :dunno

I just wish we could see in hand pics of the interrogation painted sculpt. :gah:
 
I think he meant he bought a painted Joker head from Steven Giunta and it was not bad, and that anyone could buy a head and copy it. Or something along that line.

Nope still have mine,I do have a thread In the sales section selling 1.maybe that's what he meant.
 
yah that's i want mean steven is not bad i mean the anyone sell it for ssf then headplay? right? buy the head steven is just Illustrated not bad i mean
 
Yep this one went off the rails, flipped a few times, into the ditch, back on the road, and from most recent reports is still swerving down the highway. A real hair change-o option might have helped to alleviate the kick in the gut those of us who paid $300 for this feel. That is a super premium fee that is 2X to 3X average. It was supposed to be the "definitive" representation. And certainly the prototypes looked stunning, otherwise I would have never jumped in. Sure, I can take the hit in the name of "artistry" and "supporting the community", but I shouldn't have to. At best this has come down to sloppy inventory control because somehow, someway somebody got ahold of an early sculpt and went to town. Has that breach been discovered? I don't feel like going through 50 pages. If it had been 6 months after release I could have understood, but this has been just insane. It's not the first time this type of thing has happened, and it won't be the last. However, this is the last time I will personally spend this much on a project that can be so easily duplicated. That means more H+C, cheaper projects, or characters that are more risky to recast. What ticks me off the most is that there has been little to no conciliatory actions on the part of the production team. If it had been me I would be doing as much as I could to make it right for the folks who supported the project.
 
I am not sure if is the make up but I can't see Ledger when it is painted.

On the other hand, when the sculpt doesn't have painted make up it does look like Ledger to me.











Maybe I will buy this after all. :dunno

I just wish we could see in hand pics of the interrogation painted sculpt. :gah:

The paint on the lips make him looks like he's pouting / smooching.
 
Yep this one went off the rails, flipped a few times, into the ditch, back on the road, and from most recent reports is still swerving down the highway. A real hair change-o option might have helped to alleviate the kick in the gut those of us who paid $300 for this feel. That is a super premium fee that is 2X to 3X average. It was supposed to be the "definitive" representation. And certainly the prototypes looked stunning, otherwise I would have never jumped in. Sure, I can take the hit in the name of "artistry" and "supporting the community", but I shouldn't have to. At best this has come down to sloppy inventory control because somehow, someway somebody got ahold of an early sculpt and went to town. Has that breach been discovered? I don't feel like going through 50 pages. If it had been 6 months after release I could have understood, but this has been just insane. It's not the first time this type of thing has happened, and it won't be the last. However, this is the last time I will personally spend this much on a project that can be so easily duplicated. That means more H+C, cheaper projects, or characters that are more risky to recast. What ticks me off the most is that there has been little to no conciliatory actions on the part of the production team. If it had been me I would be doing as much as I could to make it right for the folks who supported the project.

What conciliatory actions are your proposing?

And what do you mean sloppy inventory control? If there was anyone who should feel betrayed It should be us. The fact we shipped out the sculpts as soon as they were ready for each person is the problem here? How is that sloppy inventory control? Please explain it to me, I will be glad to incorporate any breakthrough suggestions that you may have If I collaborate again later with the artist or any other.
 
I personally don't think anything can be done at this point. Like I said in the previous post, all I wish is the artist to maintain, else improve the quality of the final product past this point. Looking at the prototype, I was amazed to see the amount of details in the painting and how life like the hs is. Ok so the breach happened and alas, headplay is mass producing the sculpt. But at least, for us who's willing to spend way more and putting faith in this project in the first place, please maintain an excellent qc on the final product.

I was a little bugged by the bright red lips and details of the painting on the eyebrows etc, but tried to hold myself back and I thought that could be different lightning condition, angle etc. I'm hoping someone who already got their head took a proper shot with a proper lightning that could put the rest of us at ease. I'm sorry, not mobile phone photos with filter applied.
 
Yeah but what do u think of the likeness?

I've mentioned it before - that the likeness / sculpt is good. Only thing that bugs me is the way the paint of the top lip.

I've sent a message to the artist regarding this, and I dunno if it's the language barrier or not but I kinda get the vibe that he's offended when I choose to have mine not painted that way. Still waiting for his confirmation right now.
 
What conciliatory actions are your proposing?

And what do you mean sloppy inventory control? If there was anyone who should feel betrayed It should be us. The fact we shipped out the sculpts as soon as they were ready for each person is the problem here? How is that sloppy inventory control? Please explain it to me, I will be glad to incorporate any breakthrough suggestions that you may have If I collaborate again later with the artist or any other.

I can understand your position. You need to be able to filter and send the critiques to the artist which isn't always easy, and also dealing with multiple requests from individuals while not getting paid at the same time. I appreciate you doing this for us.
 
I've mentioned it before - that the likeness / sculpt is good. Only thing that bugs me is the way the paint of the top lip.

Yeah I know you mentioned it before but I thought you would be more surprized how good it looked with those new pics of the painted sculpt without the make up. I have to say for far that the in hand pictures of the make up painted ones have not blown me away so I was quite amazed how much better it looked with out the make up painted on.

BTW what scene were you going for?
 
The painted without clown make up was the first images that were shown way back in the beginning.

I'm going for the party crash scene without the additional hair parts.
 
The painted without clown make up was the first images that were shown way back in the beginning.

Yeah but that was only one image if u don't count the one that was in between fully make up and non make up, where only the first white layer was applied.

I'm going for the party crash scene without the additional hair parts.

Hmm ok seems like the safest choice.
 
What conciliatory actions are your proposing?

And what do you mean sloppy inventory control? If there was anyone who should feel betrayed It should be us. The fact we shipped out the sculpts as soon as they were ready for each person is the problem here? How is that sloppy inventory control? Please explain it to me, I will be glad to incorporate any breakthrough suggestions that you may have If I collaborate again later with the artist or any other.

Understand first that I am not trying to blast you or make anyone feel bad... but sure: hand signed pieces with CoAs, real hair, some kind of extra(s) .... anything would be better than nothing. Nobody is suggesting that you somehow eat your margins, personally I don't care about any type of refund. I just think some kind of a gesture (that would probably cost $10-$25 max/per) goes a long way in the customer service department. This is an expensive piece. And I'm sure if you paid $300 for something that was solicited as being exclusive, definitive and closed, only to see a version of it hit the market for 1/8th the price you wouldn't be happy about it either. I know the paint should be superior to the factory, but I've never paid $250 for a paint job. $50, $75, $100, sure. Beyond that it's resculpt, rehair, etc.

While I understand that you feel the victim here (your concept and sculpt was ripped off and recast). That would piss me off to no end as well. But that's part of the game these days. The HT recasts are showing up months prior to release (clearly those breaches are at factory level). But the fact remains that you have been paid. You were also paid by many folks "after" the recast came to light, because, at least from my perspective, people wanted to honor commitment made to the project and team. I'm sure there were some who pulled up stakes, asked for refunds or didn't pay the balance. BUT there seems to have been nothing to me that said "look unfortunately we were shafted by some unscrupulous person along the way, but to make it up to you folks who are sticking by us we are going to do X (take suggestions, make a poll, whatever)." To me this is just good customer service. So yes, if it were me I would be trying to find some way to make it "right" with folks.

Regarding inventory control, you're talking about a pretty finite universe here. I don't know your model or who's hands what passes through so apologies if I over simplify, but there is a list of buyers and those who received what and when, there's whoever did the molding and casting, and there's whoever else was involved. So again if it were me that's what I would start with. Somehow, somewhere early along the way it got to someone who had the sole motivation of recasting and reselling. And without weeding through this thread (because I really only check it sporadically), I don't know if that person(s) has been identified. If they have they should be outed if for no other reason as a service to the community.

But I've spent far too much time on this subject as it is. Like I said, I'm really not out to argue about this. To me it's little more than a minor annoyance. I've paid. I'll get what I get, and that will likely be the last word on this as I move on to other things.

I sincerely wish you the best with the remainder of this project and your future endeavors.
 
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