[MJ12] 1:6 Heath Ledger as The Joker Headsculpt

[armysoldier74b]

Re: 1:6 Heath Ledger as The Joker Painted Headsculpt WIP PIC UPDATED in 1st POST

I'm not sure if some of you guys are brain dead but axe made it clear that there will be no real hair, meaning no sculpts with all real hair, no sculpts with some real hair, no sculpts with space for real hair. There will be one sculpt. Send comparison pics between this sculpt and movie stills, stop comparing to adams. The end.

You won't get very far on these boards calling the potential client brain dead. The end.

 

[Machew1031]

Re: 1:6 Heath Ledger as The Joker Painted Headsculpt WIP PIC UPDATED in 1st POST

Guys I just want to say a couple of things. Please bear with me and I hope you don't misunderstand me.

1. Although this project started out from an idea I had because I always craved to own an Adam sculpt didn't mean I was getting one as sculpted by Adam.
This thread always said its effort was to get a top industry sculptor give us a high quality likeness of Joker.

2. I never mentioned that real hair was confirmed. Like everything else which was still speculative in the early days so was this. With more recent developments you can rule out the hairing of sculpts because it has been seen to be very inconvenient when involved in large production runs.
And I want the production run to be big to ensure whoever wants a sculpt gets one.

Keeping these points in mind I would appeal to your good senses to not keep comparing it to Adam's sculpt but rather to actual movie stills or movie/character based references.
Please understand that this project is not to produce a cheaper Adam sculpt. But to produce a high quality joker at a reasonable price to quality ratio when compared to what is available.

The artist is a human being with his own self respect. Not a 3D scanner to replicate another artists work. If it is really Adam's sculpt you want I will kindly request you to contact him for one.

I really hope I am not misunderstood. Please respect the handwork of an artist and if you obviously feel it needs improvement please refer to the source material. Not another artist's interpretation.

Thank you.

Great response! I'm definitely liking the WIP.

 

[batmanfan23]

Re: 1:6 Heath Ledger as The Joker Painted Headsculpt WIP PIC UPDATED in 1st POST

You won't get very far on these boards calling the potential client brain dead. The end.

What do you mean by get very far on these boards?

 

[steven.giunta]

Re: 1:6 Heath Ledger as The Joker Painted Headsculpt WIP PIC UPDATED in 1st POST

This is what it should be compared to, i only say Adams cause it essentially is the same thing with opened eyes,this is heath ledger with a neutral expression,if you put your fingers over the scars it should look very similar.you cannot compare a screenshot cause he has paint on his face,just like the br joker looks pretty good with a decent paimtjob doesn't mean it's correct.

 

[armysoldier74b]

Re: 1:6 Heath Ledger as The Joker Painted Headsculpt WIP PIC UPDATED in 1st POST

What do you mean by get very far on these boards?

I'm saying this is a community of custom collectors, some whom are willing to pay big money to have something come out just the way they want it.

If people are demanding for the possibility to add hair then its their right to voice their want.

Axe is driving here and he is responsible for communicating the want of the buyer to the sculptor.

No need to insult anyone.

Fights break out all the time due to differences of opinion. Its the nature of this beast.

 

[neo]

Re: 1:6 Heath Ledger as The Joker Painted Headsculpt WIP PIC UPDATED in 1st POST

This is what it should be compared to, i only say Adams cause it essentially is the same thing with opened eyes,this is heath ledger with a neutral expression,if you put your fingers over the scars it should look very similar.you cannot compare a screenshot cause he has paint on his face,just like the br joker looks pretty good with a decent paimtjob doesn't mean it's correct.

yes! this is a good reference!

[video=youtube;qZYl2QUDjNY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZYl2QUDjNY&feature=player_embedded[/video]

 

[Hydeous]

Re: 1:6 Heath Ledger as The Joker Painted Headsculpt WIP PIC UPDATED in 1st POST

I think i can understand axe's middleman position that require him to pass info and also not to offend the artist as this can be a very sensitive subject. But then again, the artist should also know that the bar has been set by Adam when he decided to take this project and that the folks who are paying for these custom heads granted they arent 2k but still is quite expensive, can be quite nitpicky. (Which i am too :lol)

May i suggest you give the proposition to the artist perhaps, axe? That some customers would like to get this sculpt to be as realistic to its potential and that it requires some rooted hair. And maybe give 2 options: e.g. rooted hair version $400, sculpted hair $350 or something. That way everybody win, i hope. :lol

 

[neo]

Re: 1:6 Heath Ledger as The Joker Painted Headsculpt WIP PIC UPDATED in 1st POST

400$ for a rooted hair version? I think that it will be a lot more!
This is really time consuming

 

[Hydeous]

Re: 1:6 Heath Ledger as The Joker Painted Headsculpt WIP PIC UPDATED in 1st POST

This is what it should be compared to, i only say Adams cause it essentially is the same thing with opened eyes,this is heath ledger with a neutral expression,if you put your fingers over the scars it should look very similar.you cannot compare a screenshot cause he has paint on his face,just like the br joker looks pretty good with a decent paimtjob doesn't mean it's correct.

It seems the brow area on this one need a bit of work so it resembles the life cast. But i can see it looking wayyy better than dx11's.

 

[Hydeous]

Re: 1:6 Heath Ledger as The Joker Painted Headsculpt WIP PIC UPDATED in 1st POST

400$ for a rooted hair version? I think that it will be a lot more!
This is really time consuming

Its just an example, hence the e.g.

Heck, it can be $1000 rooted and $350 sculpted for all i care. Thats up to the artist to decide, and thats up to the buyers whetehr theyd buy or not. :lol

 

[mosaicsquare]

Re: 1:6 Heath Ledger as The Joker Painted Headsculpt WIP PIC UPDATED in 1st POST

whos painting this? if you guys can get wan lee to do it im on board.

edit* put me on the wait list.

 

[Hydeous]

Re: 1:6 Heath Ledger as The Joker Painted Headsculpt WIP PIC UPDATED in 1st POST

whos painting this? if you guys can get wan lee to do it im on board.

edit* put me on the wait list.

The sculptor is painting these.

I doubt wan lee will have the time to paint 30-40 pieces nowadays, since hes working for SS now. Plus i doubt only a handful are willing to pay what he ask for commission.

 

[ricardobsn]

Re: 1:6 Heath Ledger as The Joker Painted Headsculpt WIP PIC UPDATED in 1st POST

But will not be entirelu rooted hair, that makes much more easy i think.
To comparasion, early adam s were about $300 and the latest version here were MRM, and cost $200 partial rooted as well

Adams cost a fortune now a days, not because it is extremely well done ( only), but is the sinergy of quality and especially the rarity ( and that last turns the sculpt a fortune)

 

[karamazov80]

Re: 1:6 Heath Ledger as The Joker Painted Headsculpt WIP PIC UPDATED in 1st POST

Heck, it can be $1000 rooted and $350 sculpted for all i care

If you offered the artist this much, I bet he would think twice about the no rooted hair option.

As always, I'm against rooted hair and hope that if the hair option is included as an option, that this doesn't preclude the sculpted option being shown here.

 

[Hydeous]

Re: 1:6 Heath Ledger as The Joker Painted Headsculpt WIP PIC UPDATED in 1st POST

If you offered the artist this much, I bet he would think twice about the no rooted hair option.

As always, I'm against rooted hair and hope that if the hair option is included as an option, that this doesn't preclude the sculpted option being shown here.

We arent gonna offer the artist though. He'll have to decide for himself how much hed wanna get if he were to offer the semi rooted as an option. Im sure theres a market demand for both semi rooted and sculpted hair.

 

[dordor]

Re: 1:6 Heath Ledger as The Joker Painted Headsculpt WIP PIC UPDATED in 1st POST

Guys I just want to say a couple of things. Please bear with me and I hope you don't misunderstand me.

1. Although this project started out from an idea I had because I always craved to own an Adam sculpt didn't mean I was getting one as sculpted by Adam.
This thread always said its effort was to get a top industry sculptor give us a high quality likeness of Joker.

2. I never mentioned that real hair was confirmed. Like everything else which was still speculative in the early days so was this. With more recent developments you can rule out the hairing of sculpts because it has been seen to be very inconvenient when involved in large production runs.
And I want the production run to be big to ensure whoever wants a sculpt gets one.

Keeping these points in mind I would appeal to your good senses to not keep comparing it to Adam's sculpt but rather to actual movie stills or movie/character based references.
Please understand that this project is not to produce a cheaper Adam sculpt. But to produce a high quality joker at a reasonable price to quality ratio when compared to what is available.

The artist is a human being with his own self respect. Not a 3D scanner to replicate another artists work. If it is really Adam's sculpt you want I will kindly request you to contact him for one.

I really hope I am not misunderstood. Please respect the handwork of an artist and if you obviously feel it needs improvement please refer to the source material. Not another artist's interpretation.

Thank you.

Well said Axe. We should repect the artist work. Comparing with Adam's won't do any good. THe WIP looks awesome. Can't wait to see how it looks with paints on.

Glad to know that you would increase the production size I must get one to replace my DX11 sculpt.

 

[karamazov80]

Re: 1:6 Heath Ledger as The Joker Painted Headsculpt WIP PIC UPDATED in 1st POST

We arent gonna offer the artist though. He'll have to decide for himself how much hed wanna get if he were to offer the semi rooted as an option. Im sure theres a market demand for both semi rooted and sculpted hair.

I dunno Mike. Sounds like that offer's on the table! $1K baby. Who else is on board?

 

[chubbyman]

Re: 1:6 Heath Ledger as The Joker Painted Headsculpt WIP PIC UPDATED in 1st POST

Why are we throwing prices around when there's no plans for a rooted version LOL but yes, I'd be down for a rooted version at that price given that we can do spilt payments...cannot drop 1K on a headsculpt just like that. Sorry I am not that powerful :lol

I feel that the semi rooted version would look nice afar, but up close, not so much. Either it has to be sculpted or fully rooted.

 

[Hydeous]

Re: 1:6 Heath Ledger as The Joker Painted Headsculpt WIP PIC UPDATED in 1st POST

I dunno Mike. Sounds like that offer's on the table! $1K baby. Who else is on board?

I'm in.

 

[axecutioner18]

Re: 1:6 Heath Ledger as The Joker Painted Headsculpt WIP PIC UPDATED in 1st POST

Hey Guys

Just had some discussion with the artist and I would like to make some points which I hope will answer some of the predominant questions you may have in mind.

Firstly the sculpt as we all know is WIP, yes in a way it looks like a lot is complete. But yes its the basic structure that is complete - however some of the details which make sculpts actually stand out like skin texture and subtle shaping (for the guys worried about the flat tip of the nose) are still not done. These include smoothening out marks which are an obvious part of the sculpting process. In other words Id just like to say that when it comes to the more super'facial' details - there is still a lot of time consuming work to do, so dont worry about any unfinished aspects of it.

Secondly as we all know the price is not set. Any added details will increase the price logically also a longer production run means there is a chance of lowering the price per unit. However we must take in mind that in this equation time too is a tangible factor. The project nor the artist cannot end up like John Romero and Daikatana :lol so we have to do what is best keeping in mind for all of you to get the best quality at the price point you pay within a reasonable time frame and also ensure everyone who wants one manages to get one. For me these four are the factors I am focusing on.

Thirdly since many of you who are regular posters of this thread want to see it partially haired so I did discuss with him about it. The deal is the artist wants to remain focused on completing the sculpt with the best likeness possible within a time frame. However since it is once sculpt, it is not easy to have a modded one made of it without essentially irreversibly changing the original. This is a potentially risky process. Because the sculptor wants to keep the integrity and quality of each cast, therefore it would not be upto his quality standards to make a cast of the original sculpt, and then mod it to make a hairing friendly cast, and then again use that cast to make more hair mod friendly casts. There are also a big no of people who want completely sculpted hair and this procedure does put them in the jeopardy incase something goes wrong with the original irreversibly.
So partial haired sculpt is still an unresolved issue at the moment but I assure you we are looking into it. We may undergo different tests to see what is feasible or not for people who want to try hairing it themselves. Keep in mind, if there eventually is a mod friendly version of the sculpts made, the hair application will not be done by the artist as it is not feasible for him to individually do them one by one. So those who really want the mixed media approach will have to find some helpful modder willing to complete that last step.

Thirdly the lifecast that is being used as a comparison is something which maybe Mr. Causey and Mr. Gu have access to for their reference, but unfortunately we dont. Besides in all honesty as great as close a reference it maybe, its obvious distorted nature (due to the casting and recasting process) and the fact that the expression is not what is being aimed for makes it not as helpful as some may expect. For example when the cast was taken off Heath, he was not in character or expressing himself in character. So since our face essentially changes its muscle definition according to the emotion conveyed it would be a great reference to sculpt Heath with his eyes closed and relaxed. So I would say Heath's life cast with a neutral expression and Heath in character as the Joker with his neutral expression are 'technically different' people. Therefore Movie references again would be really beneficial for us.

Fourthly...
well I think Ive kind of written a lot already and lost the plot of all the other questions. So Ill leave it at this for the moment. Thanks for your patience and faith.