[MJ12] 1:6 Heath Ledger as The Joker Headsculpt

[The Iron Koob]

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youre doing a great job man

 

[Hydeous]

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Yeah I second that.

Whatever the outcome maybe (semi rooted or only fully sculpted), I will take 1. :wave

 

[transhi100]

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Thanks for all the hard work Axe, it's appreciated.

 

[Darkavatar]

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Guys I just want to say a couple of things. Please bear with me and I hope you don't misunderstand me.

1. Although this project started out from an idea I had because I always craved to own an Adam sculpt didn't mean I was getting one as sculpted by Adam.
This thread always said its effort was to get a top industry sculptor give us a high quality likeness of Joker.

2. I never mentioned that real hair was confirmed. Like everything else which was still speculative in the early days so was this. With more recent developments you can rule out the hairing of sculpts because it has been seen to be very inconvenient when involved in large production runs.
And I want the production run to be big to ensure whoever wants a sculpt gets one.

Keeping these points in mind I would appeal to your good senses to not keep comparing it to Adam's sculpt but rather to actual movie stills or movie/character based references.
Please understand that this project is not to produce a cheaper Adam sculpt. But to produce a high quality joker at a reasonable price to quality ratio when compared to what is available.

The artist is a human being with his own self respect. Not a 3D scanner to replicate another artists work. If it is really Adam's sculpt you want I will kindly request you to contact him for one.

I really hope I am not misunderstood. Please respect the handwork of an artist and if you obviously feel it needs improvement please refer to the source material. Not another artist's interpretation.

Thank you.

:exactly:

I know everyone wants the perfect Joker sculpt but they are too expesnive. I think for $500, this is a decent sculpt and does not look anything like Hot Toys Joker sculpts IMO. It has great skin texture and I think most people would know who it was if u showed it to them. However, it is not Adam's sculpt and I don't think it should be viewed as a way to get a cheaper Adam sculpt but rather a sculpt with decent likeness and realism, which Hot Toys has failed to deliver so far. Like Ax said if you really want an Adam sculpt then if u can afford it go buy one from him. That being said, I still think we should strive to aim for perfection just not have high expectations. I think this is the Artist's first go at sculpting Ledger, didn't it take years for Adam to nail the likeness? So for a first attempt it is not that bad at all and blows Hot Toys sculpts out of the water.

 

[ricardobsn]

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:exactly:

I know everyone wants the perfect Joker sculpt but they are too expesnive. I think for $500, this is a decent sculpt and does not look anything like Hot Toys Joker sculpts IMO. It has great skin texture and I think most people would know who it was if u showed it to them. However, it is not Adam's sculpt and I don't think it should be viewed as a way to get a cheaper Adam sculpt but rather a sculpt with decent likeness and realism, which Hot Toys has failed to deliver so far. Like Ax said if you really want an Adam sculpt then if u can afford it go buy one from him. That being said, I still think we should strive to aim for perfection just not have high expectations. I think this is the Artist's first go at sculpting Ledger, didn't it take years for Adam to nail the likeness? So for a first attempt it is not that bad at all and blows Hot Toys sculpts out of the water.

Why u people keep pushing the price up, speculating this way???
$500 for one sculpt without hair ttm, one anonimous sculptor and extended run. I belive its too much not a decent price..

 

[Darkavatar]

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Why u people keep pushing the price up, speculating this way???
$500 for one sculpt without hair ttm, one anonimous sculptor and extended run. I belive its too much not a decent price..

I am not sure what you mean by "you people" as I thought I was the only one that said this. Ok fair enough the price is high but it is no where near as high as Adams. Happy now?

 

[ricardobsn]

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I am not sure what you mean by "you people" as I thought I was the only one that said this. Ok fair enough the price is high but it is no where near as high as Adams. Happy now?

I sad you people because before somebody sad 1k, my intention wasnt promote trouble at all. I only think is better wait than speculate higher prices. As i am understanding the sculptor intention isnt make one sculpt like Adams, so it isnt fair he compares his prices with him.
They r diferent sculpts and specially cases
And if one thing is very pricey, doesnt transform another thing cheap if it s cheaper

 

[steven.giunta]

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I am not sure what you mean by "you people" as I thought I was the only one that said this. Ok fair enough the price is high but it is no where near as high as Adams. Happy now?

Actually when Adam did his first joker sculpts they were 2-300 bucks.and when he did a run if his Wayne sculpt it was only 100 bucks.so for 3-500 I am expecting something as good as Adams.

 

[ricardobsn]

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Actually when Adam did his first joker sculpts they were 2-300 bucks.and when he did a run if his Wayne sculpt it was only 100 bucks.so for 3-500 I am expecting something as good as Adams.

Exactly.

even Adam sculpt doesnt worth 2 k, the price reflects the rarity

 

[Darkavatar]

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Actually when Adam did his first joker sculpts they were 2-300 bucks.and when he did a run if his Wayne sculpt it was only 100 bucks.so for 3-500 I am expecting something as good as Adams.

Yeah but remember this is the artist first go at sculpting Ledger, So I am not surprized it is not as good as Adams Cop Joker sculpt. It looks better than Adam's older sculpts IMO.

 

[Darkavatar]

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Exactly.

even Adam sculpt doesnt worth 2 k, the price reflects the rarity

Obvious it doesn't just reflect rarity because if you have the money u can just get Adam to make you one, just like if you wanted Bobby Cs one u can just pay him $1000 for him to make u one to. Adam's Cop sculpt is so sought after because it looks so dam accurate.

 

[stricky345]

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Thanks for the update Axe.

Just out of sheer curiosity. Are facecasts really that distorted? The only problem is small shrinkage isn't it?

 

[axecutioner18]

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Its not just shrinkage (besides shrinkage is a part of distortion) rather about the loss of detail and adding of 'noise' with further castings based of castings which are based of other castings.
The original cast is perhaps till date the one with the most integrity.
However the ones which people buy and find over ebay are casts with unverifiable origin - therefore you cannot trace what generation of casting it is.

Its very similar to the bootleg tape trading of early days. If you were a part of it you will remember how quality degraded over generations of tapes copied over from copies.
Similarly the original cast was the one with actual details and proportion closest intact. Details which get washed out and deformations start sinking in as copies are made over same moulds and moulds based on already deformed copies.

I hope I have been able to explain the phenomenon properly.

 

[DreamWorks]

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Please add me for two!! Thx

 

[stricky345]

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Ya, thanks for the explanation axe, made it clear!

 

[liuskusuma]

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Awesome breakdown Axe, thanks.

I hope the artist finds a way to offer the partial rooted for us ray:.

Can't wait for the next WIP Pictures.

 

[Remy]

Re: 1:6 Heath Ledger as The Joker Painted Headsculpt WIP PIC UPDATED in 1st POST

Hey Guys

Just had some discussion with the artist and I would like to make some points which I hope will answer some of the predominant questions you may have in mind.

Firstly the sculpt as we all know is WIP, yes in a way it looks like a lot is complete. But yes its the basic structure that is complete - however some of the details which make sculpts actually stand out like skin texture and subtle shaping (for the guys worried about the flat tip of the nose) are still not done. These include smoothening out marks which are an obvious part of the sculpting process. In other words Id just like to say that when it comes to the more super'facial' details - there is still a lot of time consuming work to do, so dont worry about any unfinished aspects of it.

Secondly as we all know the price is not set. Any added details will increase the price logically also a longer production run means there is a chance of lowering the price per unit. However we must take in mind that in this equation time too is a tangible factor. The project nor the artist cannot end up like John Romero and Daikatana :lol so we have to do what is best keeping in mind for all of you to get the best quality at the price point you pay within a reasonable time frame and also ensure everyone who wants one manages to get one. For me these four are the factors I am focusing on.

Thirdly since many of you who are regular posters of this thread want to see it partially haired so I did discuss with him about it. The deal is the artist wants to remain focused on completing the sculpt with the best likeness possible within a time frame. However since it is once sculpt, it is not easy to have a modded one made of it without essentially irreversibly changing the original. This is a potentially risky process. Because the sculptor wants to keep the integrity and quality of each cast, therefore it would not be upto his quality standards to make a cast of the original sculpt, and then mod it to make a hairing friendly cast, and then again use that cast to make more hair mod friendly casts. There are also a big no of people who want completely sculpted hair and this procedure does put them in the jeopardy incase something goes wrong with the original irreversibly.
So partial haired sculpt is still an unresolved issue at the moment but I assure you we are looking into it. We may undergo different tests to see what is feasible or not for people who want to try hairing it themselves. Keep in mind, if there eventually is a mod friendly version of the sculpts made, the hair application will not be done by the artist as it is not feasible for him to individually do them one by one. So those who really want the mixed media approach will have to find some helpful modder willing to complete that last step.

Thirdly the lifecast that is being used as a comparison is something which maybe Mr. Causey and Mr. Gu have access to for their reference, but unfortunately we dont. Besides in all honesty as great as close a reference it maybe, its obvious distorted nature (due to the casting and recasting process) and the fact that the expression is not what is being aimed for makes it not as helpful as some may expect. For example when the cast was taken off Heath, he was not in character or expressing himself in character. So since our face essentially changes its muscle definition according to the emotion conveyed it would be a great reference to sculpt Heath with his eyes closed and relaxed. So I would say Heath's life cast with a neutral expression and Heath in character as the Joker with his neutral expression are 'technically different' people. Therefore Movie references again would be really beneficial for us.

Fourthly...
well I think Ive kind of written a lot already and lost the plot of all the other questions. So Ill leave it at this for the moment. Thanks for your patience and faith.

Thank you very much for the details Axe.
That's all we were pretty much egging on. To have it under consideration.

I apologize for any inconvenience, but was just frustrated cause it came off
at first that it seems there's no consideration...and so that's that...we're completely fine
with all sculpted hair so that's it.

I understand completely that offering it with hair is a slow, tedious process.
But now, I understant that as you mentioned in the very beginning, this is something
that the sculptor took on...only for a set amount of time frame.

With or without mix-media, I can now undestand the final decision.
But he he...of course, still hoping we will have a mix-media friendly sculpt.
Thanks again for the update man. :1-1:

 

[TheFiend]

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Thanks for the update, axe. I don't have a problem with fully sculpted if thats the way it is, keep the cost lower. Secondly, when the sculpt is finished is it possible to get our anonymous person to show us some examples of his paint apps? No matter how awesome a sculpt looks things can change quickly when paint hits it. That, for me, is a main concern tbh. I've been down that road before....

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[neo]

Re: 1:6 Heath Ledger as The Joker Painted Headsculpt WIP PIC UPDATED in 1st POST

Thanks for the update, axe. I don't have a problem with fully sculpted if thats the way it is, keep the cost lower. Secondly, when the sculpt is finished is it possible to get our anonymous person to show us some examples of his paint apps? No matter how awesome a sculpt looks things can change quickly when paint hits it. That, for me, is a main concern tbh. I've been down that road before....

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I don't think it will be possible to show that work if we don't want to regonize the guy's work but if he is who I think he is ( I have no idea, just guess!) I think that there is no reason to be afraid, actually I'm really excited to see it

 

[axecutioner18]

Re: 1:6 Heath Ledger as The Joker Painted Headsculpt WIP PIC UPDATED in 1st POST

Thanks for the update, axe. I don't have a problem with fully sculpted if thats the way it is, keep the cost lower. Secondly, when the sculpt is finished is it possible to get our anonymous person to show us some examples of his paint apps? No matter how awesome a sculpt looks things can change quickly when paint hits it. That, for me, is a main concern tbh. I've been down that road before....

When the sculpt is complete we will go to the next step of producing a painted prototype. I am sorry but I believe showing his/her's portfolio won't be most beneficial for the anonymity clause.
So if you want to see the quality of the paint. You will have to wait for the painted proto.

I personally think its a good thing as honestly IMO someone's previous works on other subjects is no guarantee of performance to their execution of newer projects. So in that way you get to see the quality of their work pertaining to the specific subject at hand.