[MJ12] 1:6 Heath Ledger as The Joker Headsculpt

[HeatNation]

Hmmmm......seems that way.

 

[Lakhota]

Axe, don't worry about me buddy.....Worry about the long list of people you owe $300 dollars to for a sculpt that they haven't even yet received that's already now selling on eBay for $39.99. That should be your concern.

I knew it wasn't going to be a good idea to do business with you representing some sculptor who wanted to remain unknown, peddling goods on this forum as if you were doing us a favor for those outrageous prices with no accountability whatsoever. Not sending you dollar 1 and avoiding your "anonymous" projects was the best decision any forum member could have made. So yea....karma is a B. Good luck with your mess.

 

[Thrustmaster]

Axe, don't worry about me buddy.....Worry about the long list of people you owe $300 dollars to for a sculpt that they haven't even yet received that's already now selling on eBay for $39.99. That should be your concern.

I knew it wasn't going to be a good idea to do business with you representing some sculptor who wanted to remain unknown, peddling goods on this forum as if you were doing us a favor for those outrageous prices with no accountability whatsoever. Not sending you dollar 1 and avoiding your "anonymous" projects was the best decision any forum member could have made. So yea....karma is a B. Good luck with your mess.

I thought Axe has done a great job so far, it's not easy to keep such a project permanently alive and to post here and there updates, answering all those questions and organizing everything so well.

But i have to say, some things i also disliked. This anonymous thing bothered me, especially after he opened up his Facebook page and presented to everyone his work. If you want to act anonymous, it should be done in a different way. Then of course that there haven't been any informations about the size edition, etc. All these gave me a little bit of a concern, that this thing won't be that exclusive like it was showed and presented here. But who would have thought that things would get like this now.

What makes me doubt even more is, it isn't just ONE seller who is offering it, but there are several people out there. Headplay, clearday365, iyiyyy, at Facebook, on OSR, etc etc. Who knows who else is offering it aswell. So how is it possible that this sculpt can be spread that fast to so many other sellers. it isn't an action that goes within an hour, it looks almost like being planned and was known longer.

And to those comments like, you pay not for something where you can hope to increase the value etc.
i actually wasn't confident of purchasing the sculpt from beginning, as there was a huge lack of pictures, i would have wished to see more of it and especially under normal light. But after it was promoted like THE EXCLUSIVE head, i thought to myself that it wouldn't hurt ordering one. if i don't like it in-hand, i always can sell it for the price that i've paid for. i just thought, i won't be going such a high risk with that. i never intended to make money or something with my order, as i also just ordered one of it. but as money isn't flying around, i also don't want to throw my money out of the window and to minimize the risk.

but now, if everyone can get the sculpt for under $40 painted, it's seriously a shame. sure the paintjob doesn't look THAT good, but it's still a difference of more then $260 or even more to the original. and with less of that money i can hire a hell of a painter who brings this sculpt to life!

With that anonymous behaviour before and searching afterwards the attention at facebook, and not wanting to give us a numbered sized edition, he lost for me a lot of trust. Only Axe was the one i believed and relaxed me a bit of it. but seeing what has happened and after re-watching his behaviour, who can guarantee me that the sculptor himself hasn't dealt with all those hk sellers? maybe after the huge "exclusive" run he wanted to sell this one at a lower price-tag through those ebay sellers and others, but the sellers couldn't wait so long and decided to offer it immediately. Maybe you think that my thoughts are absurd, but seriously if you look how this has developed and what behaviours have been showed, everything is possible.

Maybe it would be the right thing to offer for this project that everyone can get the chance to get their money back if they want to.
And as for the other upcoming projects, the sculptor should re-think his stragedy of how he wants to sell his work to avoid such a fiasco.

 

[mishu2nite]

Something is up. With most customizers it is months before the recasting thing. Here it seems to start very early. I really don't trust anyone that is involved anymore. I won't buy the recast sculpt because this is left a bad taste in my mouth. But I will be asking for a refund.

 

[marlindesign]

"He's convinced me. Give me my dollar back".... Hahaha

 

[Rahmier84]

I thought Axe has done a great job so far, it's not easy to keep such a project permanently alive and to post here and there updates, answering all those questions and organizing everything so well.

But i have to say, some things i also disliked. This anonymous thing bothered me, especially after he opened up his Facebook page and presented to everyone his work. If you want to act anonymous, it should be done in a different way. Then of course that there haven't been any informations about the size edition, etc. All these gave me a little bit of a concern, that this thing won't be that exclusive like it was showed and presented here. But who would have thought that things would get like this now.

What makes me doubt even more is, it isn't just ONE seller who is offering it, but there are several people out there. Headplay, clearday365, iyiyyy, at Facebook, on OSR, etc etc. Who knows who else is offering it aswell. So how is it possible that this sculpt can be spread that fast to so many other sellers. it isn't an action that goes within an hour, it looks almost like being planned and was known longer.

And to those comments like, you pay not for something where you can hope to increase the value etc.
i actually wasn't confident of purchasing the sculpt from beginning, as there was a huge lack of pictures, i would have wished to see more of it and especially under normal light. But after it was promoted like THE EXCLUSIVE head, i thought to myself that it wouldn't hurt ordering one. if i don't like it in-hand, i always can sell it for the price that i've paid for. i just thought, i won't be going such a high risk with that. i never intended to make money or something with my order, as i also just ordered one of it. but as money isn't flying around, i also don't want to throw my money out of the window and to minimize the risk.

but now, if everyone can get the sculpt for under $40 painted, it's seriously a shame. sure the paintjob doesn't look THAT good, but it's still a difference of more then $260 or even more to the original. and with less of that money i can hire a hell of a painter who brings this sculpt to life!

With that anonymous behaviour before and searching afterwards the attention at facebook, and not wanting to give us a numbered sized edition, he lost for me a lot of trust. Only Axe was the one i believed and relaxed me a bit of it. but seeing what has happened and after re-watching his behaviour, who can guarantee me that the sculptor himself hasn't dealt with all those hk sellers? maybe after the huge "exclusive" run he wanted to sell this one at a lower price-tag through those ebay sellers and others, but the sellers couldn't wait so long and decided to offer it immediately. Maybe you think that my thoughts are absurd, but seriously if you look how this has developed and what behaviours have been showed, everything is possible.

Maybe it would be the right thing to offer for this project that everyone can get the chance to get their money back if they want to.
And as for the other upcoming projects, the sculptor should re-think his stragedy of how he wants to sell his work to avoid such a fiasco.

This man raises alot of good points.....especially about the artist leaking it. Not questioning the man integrity but he has nothing to lose by selling the cast to them to sell cheaper copies of it. That's why you stay anonymous

 

[marlindesign]

This man raises alot of good points.....

And has managed to write a short novel about it...

 

[TheFiend]

Nail on the head ,Thrustmaster. You've described my thoughts exactly.

Yeah, now I want answers. Why can't we know the edition size? I asked numerous times and the question was sidelined, then finally got an answer of 'no', and that was it.

Honestly, I wish I could get my money back......

Sent from my SGH-T999L using Tapatalk

 

[Lakhota]

A month ago AJKhunter and I posted on the " NEW BILL" boards immediately after the FB "I'm coming out". I was also worried about the legitimacy of these pre orders and interest list after the Bill sculpt was leaked by the sculptor. Everyone and their mother wanted one after seeing it and that didn't seem like something done secretly and anonymously. I hope this was a big mistake and the people that have paid money will be rectified, I wouldn't hold any judgment towards AXE and the Sculptor till we find out the truth. Mulder knows the truth is out there................

 

[paramoremcr88]

Just read over the last few pages. Feel so sorry for you guys, this sucks big time. Really hope you get your money back.

 

[dordor]

Thrustmaster made good points. I want my money back too now honestly.

 

[axecutioner18]

How much more of a difference will it really have from what's already selling for $37 bucks on eBay now? That is a picture of the original sculpt with a commercial paint up isn't it? That's a painted up original. How did they get access to it if these were supposed to be cast 5 at a time for quality assurance and to preserve fine sculpt details.....? Looks like that original was shipped off to some factory some where to be mass produced.

BECAUSE
1. one of the buyers who ordered the unpainted casts is the one who supplied it. ALl unpainted casts taken in the first batch of orders have already been shipped. They had all shipped over a month back. ALL the ones who ordered it are SSF members. One of those members had requested his sculpt to be shipped to China. While his address was in another country. However we took the Paypal verified address and sent him it to that address only.

THAT MEMBER
recently PMd me saying would the artist be open to make this a mass produced sculpt just a couple of days back. I had asked him to give me details of what mass production hoping I would get to the bottom of this. However last night I see this mess as a member poined it out to me on Facebook, which means that of the two unpainted sculpts that was sent to him, one of them must be the one shown here as the 'recast photo'

Recasting factories make recasts and supply them to multiple recast sellers. Same way you see so many Enterbay Bruce lee sculpts of the same thing coming from different ebay sellers.

So tell me you think a project where I burn my ass off from keeping a list of buyers and details and everything to help the artist out, I am going to scam off the members? Eh? The only thing I regret honestly is that unpainted sculpts were offered. Anyone who knows my stand on these things knows I am against unpainted sculpts simply because I feel it makes it easy for a recaster, however many argued here that unpainted casts help many buyers out and thus limit the market for recasters.

Now we have this unfortunate incident and all of a sudden this is being considered a scam?

 

[Cap'n Cook]

And has managed to write a short novel about it...

The attention span of this forum. :lol

 

[karamazov80]

Well let's say that the sculptor was not anonymous, but a trusted, well known sculptor, and that he undertook a similar project in a similar way--i.e., make a supposedly smallish run without releasing edition size, and shipped out the unpainted sculpts first, then worked on the painted ones--and one of the first run sculpts was recast and sold on eBay in this way. Would you still be asking for your money back?

I'm not really being critical of those who are asking for this, but my point here is that there is always risk with something like this. Trevor Grove, Rainman, Beto, Adam Gu, and nearly every other artist under the sun has had their heads recast and sold by bums on eBay. I personally would not consider buying a sculpt as an investment on its own unless the edition size were incredibly small (say, 5 or less), and if I knew everyone else getting the sculpt, and the sculptor very well. Because otherwise, the likelihood is that it's going to happen. Axe and the artist even suspected it was going to happen early on, and I don't think they were trying to hide that possibility. So if you are upset at it being recast, I would suggest considering the nature of this hobby, and the extent to which this kind of thing happens. I'm not trying to downplay concerns over a lack of transparency here, and everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but I think it's pretty easy to see how this kind of thing would happen no matter who was involved. And of course, considering the range of artists who have been victim to this (including Trevor having a counterfeit head made by Q before even offering it to the public in one instance!), saying "karma" plays some role in all this is beyond ridiculous.

 

[CrAzEBoNEsz]

That's why I didn't get it. knew it was gon happen after list went to whoever wants one.

 

[turbo.VS.ozone]

Well you certainly know a hell of a lot of the logistics involved in factory recasting at a mass scale not to notice all the red flags that go up. This one just happened to slip by you though huh. Yea, I think you knew who you were dealing with "anonymous", you already admitted that you knew beforehand that this was a possibility and still decided to sell these goods at that rape price point. Nice Job.

BECAUSE
1. one of the buyers who ordered the unpainted casts is the one who supplied it. ALl unpainted casts taken in the first batch of orders have already been shipped. They had all shipped over a month back. ALL the ones who ordered it are SSF members. One of those members had requested his sculpt to be shipped to China. While his address was in another country. However we took the Paypal verified address and sent him it to that address only.

THAT MEMBER
recently PMd me saying would the artist be open to make this a mass produced sculpt just a couple of days back. I had asked him to give me details of what mass production hoping I would get to the bottom of this. However last night I see this mess as a member poined it out to me on Facebook, which means that of the two unpainted sculpts that was sent to him, one of them must be the one shown here as the 'recast photo'

Recasting factories make recasts and supply them to multiple recast sellers. Same way you see so many Enterbay Bruce lee sculpts of the same thing coming from different ebay sellers.

So tell me you think a project where I burn my ass off from keeping a list of buyers and details and everything to help the artist out, I am going to scam off the members? Eh? The only thing I regret honestly is that unpainted sculpts were offered. Anyone who knows my stand on these things knows I am against unpainted sculpts simply because I feel it makes it easy for a recaster, however many argued here that unpainted casts help many buyers out and thus limit the market for recasters.

Now we have this unfortunate incident and all of a sudden this is being considered a scam?

 

[axecutioner18]

And about so many people offering it, like i said, all this recasting business happens in one place, but a lot of people same people sell it via multipl accounts and multiple names too. As for Facebook Kit Chen is the one who showed this first I heard, he has recasts ready within days of HT releases. The Enterbay new Bruce Lee had recasted heads available for preorder with pictures of the original sculpt DAYS before the actual thing was released on stores. Here recasts are being advertised for preorder after a MONTH from when the first batch of unpainted heads were received by people. So tell me how was this leaked before hand?

The artist has to paint EVERY week end because that is the only free time he gets to complete all the painted orders, each painting takes close to 3 days and depends on humidity and all things. All this did nothing more than shock up an artist who I was trying to get into customising for this board. I did consider his offering of unpainted sculpts as naive as I personally dont like selling unpainted sculpts, I guess he learnt a lesson.

We know who is the supplier, its one of the SSF members. The mods are taking care of that.

 

[The Iron Koob]

I don't see why anyone would think it's a scam. Surely the artist could make a lot more money selling to you guys than to tarnish his reputation by selling out on one sculpt. Axe also made a good point about the unpainted heads, people did ask for them

 

[Darkavatar]

"He's convinced me. Give me my dollar back".... Hahaha
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This is off topic but what movie is that pic from?

 

[The Iron Koob]

Well you certainly know a hell of a lot of the logistics involved in factory recasting at a mass scale not to notice all the red flags that go up. This one just happened to slip by you though huh. Yea, I think you knew who you were dealing with "anonymous", you already admitted that you knew beforehand that this was a possibility and still decided to sell these goods at that rape price point. Nice Job.

Were big boys, we had a choice to buy in. Exclusivity was a plus, but once the sculpts went out we were basically just hoping everyone who got one was a man of integrity and that was a risk everyone knew. How can axe control it from that point?