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I'm interested but depends on price....
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I'm interested but depends on price....
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I think it would be great if BCS worked with Toribox and offered upgrade kits for those who have higher expectations. Would pretty much tie up the licensing loophole.
I don't understand why people don't just buy the BCS figure and send the headsculpt to be repainted by iminime or any other repainter who meets their expectations.
I just think this is all a huge missed opportunity for the companies to work together rather work against each other. Hindsight being what it is, I think Denny should've offered their factory assistance services to help BCS make a better figure, instead of offering a competing product. I know iminime have helped ZC World and have really turned their product around, I'd like to see them help other companies rather than offering competing products in a legally and morally gray area.
Iminime no longer offers repaint services but yeah you are correct in saying that the BCS sculpt would benefit from a repaint.
I doubt any company would pay the licensing fee and royalties only to further have to split profits with another company like Denny's for helping them out with a figure run as the scenario you laid out
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As I understand, Denny asks a flat fee for production assistance. Independent contractors rarely include profit sharing as part of their arrangement.
And as I already stated, ZC World has used iminime's services, and apparently there is a new Japanese company that is making Independence Day and Army of Darkness figures with iminime's supervision. So I think you are mistaken, in that there are a number of companies who would be happy to have iminime help with production.
Well thats a different story there
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The bottom line is that BCS failed to deliver a decent product and there are better alternatives available.
The same way Kato made upgrade clothing for Indiana Jones and the Joker without getting license rights. And no one cared.
The same way WGP makes Doctor Who heads including the potential for an upgrade on BCS's very own 11 figure. And no one cared.
The same way Trevor sold Firefly, Breaking Bad, and Mad Men heads without the license rights. And no one cared.
When Showtime issued a C+D to Trevor for his Dexter head, still no one cared and he just sold them in secret.
Why is this just suddenly becoming an issue now when everyone here has been more than happy to give the middle finger to license rights in the past? Hell, this entire section of the forum is people either upgrading previously existing figures or offering customs based off of a franchise that they have zero rights to sell merchandise from. Seems like a bizzare time to suddenly start taking the legal high ground.
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Sometimes the licensing runs out and sometimes they have the license but can't get the actor to sign off so things are pending approval. Also 2 products from the same license can coexist for example hot toys/enterbay. Iminime has had licensed figures so I'm positive Denny and his team meant no harm in pursuing this project, Rainman himself is a fan and he would have probably tried make a run at this had Big Cheif not made such a big deal about the situation. I'm interested in possibly picking up their versions and maybe some of their Doctor Who stuff, it's just too bad they where not more lenient and supportive with other people as they are with others.
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You know what?!
Unlike a lot of people on this board, denny has a lot of respect for artists works!
And you know what? Trevor G has sculpted the hs for the bcs company.. and Trevor is working with denny too..
So I think that it's really simple to understand!
Unlike a lot of people on this board, denny has a lot of respect for artists works!
And you know what? Trevor G has sculpted the hs for the bcs company.. and Trevor is working with denny too..
So I think that it's really simple to understand!
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You know what?!
Unlike a lot of people on this board, denny has a lot of respect for artists works!
And you know what? Trevor G has sculpted the hs for the bcs company.. and Trevor is working with denny too..
So I think that it's really simple to understand!
Screw professional ethics, he wants his figure dammit!
This situation is unique in that both BCS and Iminime's figures were released at the same time. If Iminime did another run of this it will hurt BCS's sales more than it has already. I don't know the whole story but it sounds like BCS did Denny a favor allowing him to sell the figures that had already been made. For Denny to turn right around and produce more after this agreement would be like him spitting in their faces. And if Denny did continue the line that would fuel BCS to take this to the next level and seek legal action. For Denny to continue the line would be foolish, he would be subject to negative publicity by being seen as someone who broke an agreement, and could potentially face legal action. Yes Denny would sell a few more figures and make some collectors happy, but the loses would outweigh the gains in the short run and potentially the long run as well.
Denny is agreeing to the terms because he knows better in this situation. Yes Denny is a gentlemen and will not break a promise, but more importantly he is a businessman first and he does not see continuing the line as being in the best interests of his business.
Denny is agreeing to the terms because he knows better in this situation. Yes Denny is a gentlemen and will not break a promise, but more importantly he is a businessman first and he does not see continuing the line as being in the best interests of his business.
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Bullseye, croozer.
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For someone who watches Sherlock I thought you may understand very basic information that has already been explianed by myself.
It don't matter what has been done before etc. Any company with a license who pays fees etc have the right to put a stop to other unlicensed product. They are not only stealing sales from BCS but they are stealing money from the production company, those are the people who make the programme by the way. (I thought I would explian that to you as well because you haven't understood basic information) BCS are licensed officially by them and not the BBC and they pay them a royalises and fees. So that money that goes to make your so called precious show.
Also you mentioned Trevor grove Breaking Bad, Dexter and Firefly 3 licenses that no one had the license for. But once he sculpted it and made casts of the sculpt he got a C and D Order for them. Now that QMX have the license for Firefly would it be wrong for Trevor to make them? Of course it would. Because someone has the license and someone else pays for it.
If you don't like it then tough. If you can't get Denny's then tough stop crying about it move on. If you want Denny's so much buy it on eBay or something. Bottom like is it's BCS decision and Denny has agreed to it, he can understood it and he has stopped it.
It don't matter what has been done before etc. Any company with a license who pays fees etc have the right to put a stop to other unlicensed product. They are not only stealing sales from BCS but they are stealing money from the production company, those are the people who make the programme by the way. (I thought I would explian that to you as well because you haven't understood basic information) BCS are licensed officially by them and not the BBC and they pay them a royalises and fees. So that money that goes to make your so called precious show.
Also you mentioned Trevor grove Breaking Bad, Dexter and Firefly 3 licenses that no one had the license for. But once he sculpted it and made casts of the sculpt he got a C and D Order for them. Now that QMX have the license for Firefly would it be wrong for Trevor to make them? Of course it would. Because someone has the license and someone else pays for it.
If you don't like it then tough. If you can't get Denny's then tough stop crying about it move on. If you want Denny's so much buy it on eBay or something. Bottom like is it's BCS decision and Denny has agreed to it, he can understood it and he has stopped it.
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Greggo
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If this happens then they will find out. Especially when someone shouts out it's a secret. Jesus Christ lol
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We consider Denny a friend of BIG Chief, so we were a little put out when he announced his full figure release. However, we discussed the situation with him and we elected to allow him to continue with the run. As mentioned previously however, we cannot realistically allow him to continue to solicit or generate more sales for an increase in the run. In the grand scheme of things the loss of sales is not the only consideration, we also have to take the legalities of such a run into account.
As for our "sub-standard" product we would point out that we have sold well in excess of over 1000 pieces of Sherlock direct and a further 500 pieces to retail with more are on back order. As of right now we have not received a single piece returned due to a customer being unhappy with the quality of the piece.
Does this mean that our product should be exempt from criticism? Absolutely not. Could our product be improved? In certain areas yes it could. Is Denny’s release better than ours? Well that is matter of opinion. Honestly there are elements that we really like and there are elements that we feel require improvement. The head sculpt is not accurate, despite what some might think. The neck is too tall and so subsequently the collar is also too tall when it is pulled up. The point is there are always things that can be improved.
The problem is that forums such as this one are hideouts for "those who shout the loudest". People who believe that they have a greater insight and knowledge about a certain character than the very people who have access to reference material that seldom sees the light of day publicly. Looking at this thread there are essentially 8-10 people who are continuing to be vocal about an extension to the run and who are critical of our mass-produced figure vs what are basically individual prototypes being offered by Denny. So that is 10 unsatisfied people compared to 1500 who thus far seem happy with their figure.
As we mentioned in our post we actively encourage customisers and generally do not have a problem with alternate costume parts or additional accessories. A full figure offering at the same time of our own release is simply not acceptable. Perhaps if the custom had of been released a year from now, things might be different. As of now however, that is not the case.
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As for our "sub-standard" product we would point out that we have sold well in excess of over 1000 pieces of Sherlock direct and a further 500 pieces to retail with more are on back order. As of right now we have not received a single piece returned due to a customer being unhappy with the quality of the piece.
Does this mean that our product should be exempt from criticism? Absolutely not. Could our product be improved? In certain areas yes it could. Is Denny’s release better than ours? Well that is matter of opinion. Honestly there are elements that we really like and there are elements that we feel require improvement. The head sculpt is not accurate, despite what some might think. The neck is too tall and so subsequently the collar is also too tall when it is pulled up. The point is there are always things that can be improved.
The problem is that forums such as this one are hideouts for "those who shout the loudest". People who believe that they have a greater insight and knowledge about a certain character than the very people who have access to reference material that seldom sees the light of day publicly. Looking at this thread there are essentially 8-10 people who are continuing to be vocal about an extension to the run and who are critical of our mass-produced figure vs what are basically individual prototypes being offered by Denny. So that is 10 unsatisfied people compared to 1500 who thus far seem happy with their figure.
As we mentioned in our post we actively encourage customisers and generally do not have a problem with alternate costume parts or additional accessories. A full figure offering at the same time of our own release is simply not acceptable. Perhaps if the custom had of been released a year from now, things might be different. As of now however, that is not the case.
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Sooooo...Sherlock v2 by Denny in a year with no issues? :yess:
Not trying to start anything but I think the main reason so many BCS Sherlock figures have been sold is because it was the only 1/6 figure available. After seeing Denny's people were excited to have another option--one that does look a little higher quality. I almost bought the BCS version (and still may try to get one after seeing ebay prices for Denny's) but held off because I'd rather have the other figure. So now it comes down to "How badly to I want a Sherlock figure in my collection?" Enough to pay for the BCS figure then try to get the head repainted and source a different coat? I'm really not sure.
One thing I do love about the BCS Sherlock is the amount of accessories. Well done on adding some great character specific pieces!
Not trying to start anything but I think the main reason so many BCS Sherlock figures have been sold is because it was the only 1/6 figure available. After seeing Denny's people were excited to have another option--one that does look a little higher quality. I almost bought the BCS version (and still may try to get one after seeing ebay prices for Denny's) but held off because I'd rather have the other figure. So now it comes down to "How badly to I want a Sherlock figure in my collection?" Enough to pay for the BCS figure then try to get the head repainted and source a different coat? I'm really not sure.
One thing I do love about the BCS Sherlock is the amount of accessories. Well done on adding some great character specific pieces!
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